Featured Islamists murder Brit soldier in London

Nevermond these guys were already being watxhed by MI5 for years. Now I don't agree with these "laws" that allow the government to detain people indefinately just because the government suspects did ya catch that? I say because the government SUSPECTS they may be a "threat" like the NDAA. I'm pretty sure the UK has it's own version that allows people to be detained forever without charge. So why weren't these guys locked up in an MI5 dungeon somewhere instead of being allowed to walk around free with meat cleavers?

Evidently they were "suspected" of being a threat which is all the government needs to disappear them "legally" and yet there they were walking around free with meat cleavers. When are you guys gonna ban meat clevers over there? My goodness people shouldn't be allowed to have such deadly weapons like that.

Well at least the government can use this event to take away more civil liberties from everyone over there. Big Brother loves the Brits too.

 

Ooo...I don't know if I think its a good idea to lock someone up simply because they are suspected that they might commit a crime.

"When are you guys gonna ban meat cleavers over there?" :laugh: That's a good one.

 

I couldn't agree more but as long as the government claims it can do that "legally" why weren't these "suspects" detained indefinately? If the government can use that power to detain an ex US marine for making "anti government" statements on Facebook why can't it detain two real threats they've been watching for years?

 

Is there a difference? All the same "anti terror laws" are being passed by western governments. If we in the US have a "law" that allows the government to indefinately detain and or execute terror "suspects" without due process of law it's probably safe to assume the UK either already does or shortly will claim the same power.

 

About that... has the US been detaining American citizens without due process? Or are they just enemy combatants found on the field of battle?

See, to me it's one thing to capture an enemy combatant and detain him without giving him Miranda rights, etc. It's another thing altogether to detain an American citizen the same way.

Personally I don't feel that non-citizens of our country should have the same rights as our citizens. I'm not saying that we should throw non-citizens in a cell and just forget em (like people used to do with an oubliette) . :smilewinkgrin: I mean they should have their day in some sort of court (maybe a military tribunal).

Imo, the folks in Guantanamo bay ought to have had their military hearings years ago. Politics is why this hasn't happened imo.

 

The NDAA allows the government to detain and or execute anyone including citizens if they are SUSPECTED of being a threat. Note the operative word is SUSPECTED. No charges no trial and the government doesn' t even have to provide evidence. Obama has already killed American citizens he has "claimed" were terrorist threats including a 16 year old boy while he was having a cook out with his friends. His crime? His father was alleged to have made anti US government statements.

Not long ago an ex US marine was detained for several days without being arrested or charged with a crime. His where abouts were unknown his family didn't know what happened to him. He was held in a psych hospital against his will. His crime? He made "anti government statements" on Facebook.

Adam Kokesh Iraq war veteran was just taken into custody a couple weeks ago by Philidelphia police and held in a federal prison for several days without being allowed to make a phone call. He was charged after the fact with resisting arrest and assaulting a federal officer. Several videos show him being tackled by police while his hands were raised in submission. These charges were dismissed after videos of the incident appeared on youtube. He was then given several citations which he refused to sign and released. His crime? Organizing a protest in support of the second amendment in Washington DC and being a speaker at a protest in Phili.

Keep in mind the government that has done these things has been aiding and abetting terrorists in Libya and Syria, lied about and covered up the murder of Americans in Benghazi, ran guns into Mexico illegaly resulting in the deaths of American border patrol agents and possibly hundreds of Mexicans in order to demonize gun ownership and the second amendment, used the IRS to Intimidate political opponents, while putting out several "reports" that claim gun owners, constitutionalists, homeschoolers, Christians and returning US war veterans should be treated as terror suspects. It's the same government that went all out to push it's gun control agenda by "dancing in the blood" of the victims of the Sandy Hook school shooting in order to demonize gun owners a ban semi auto rifles.

And that's just what I can remember before having my second cup of coffee.

 

Can you execute them?

 

http://www.bindmans.com/legal-resources/terrorism/detention-and-deportation/indefinite-detention-under-the-2001-act



http://www.cageprisoners.com/our-work/opinion-editorial/item/1061-living-in-the-shadows-indefinite-detention-in-england

 

So what do you do with these murderer's?

 

I'd never heard of Adam Kokesh so I had to look him up. There's a few things about this guy that think ought to be mentioned.

He's a self described libertarian anti-war activist and anarchist. This guy brought home a pistol from the Iraq war in '04 for which he was demoted from sgt to corporal. Was initially honorably dischard. Then while in the ready reserve, he participated in an anti war protest, which is against the UCMJ. This led to him being given an "other than honorable" discharge (ie...he was kicked out). He's been arrested a number of times. And on May 20th of this year he was charged with assaulting a federal officer and resisting arrest. So his crime was not because he organized a protest

So this sort of tells us where he's coming from. So I dunno if its fair to say he hasn't been given due process.

 

Lock them up for life -- meaning, they have food & shelter for the rest of their lives paid for by the taxpayers...which include the victims, or families of the victims....

Where's the justice in that?

 

I agree & sadly it is a mark of a more liberal society where as execution should be required...particularly the premeditated type of crime.

Lets think about how the family of that murdered soldier views things.