James White makes a fool out of Ergun Caner....

If you really want to go to LBTS, I don't think your soteriology should be an issue, unless you were asked to give it up.

I don't think this would be the case.

 

Martin,

I see things a bit different regarding Caner as president: While I think he should be a lot better, as a president of a seminary, I don't think it really matters that much.

 

James White is no doubt a committed Christian but... His irc channel is sadly a breeding ground for young calvinists, he scaves for money to, like the puritan board.

They are always looking for money. Try some faith guys.

This board needs to drop all the adds to. I can't stand people who try to make money off the Gospel in the way that they do. It's not as if they have ever produced any interesting anyway? Just arguments.

 

Thanks for the input! Are you a current or former LBTS student? In order to not hijack this thread, I started another thread (Calvinistic Students in LBTS DLP on Baptist Colleges / Seminaries) to get some feedback on these issues. I'd love to see you jump in over there. Blessings!

 

What?! You are confused. Non-Cals do believe that Christ died for each and every person -- which includes all Muslims, Jews and Mormons. You as a non-Cal believe that, do you not Amy?

How then can you fairly say that Dr.White has misrepresented non-Cals here?

 

He adheres to Refomed Theology which most certainly is not modified Calvinism!

Please elaborate on these "finer points" you mentioned.

 

Hey all you James White fanboys, Papa needs a new pair of wristwatch cozies!

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Or, you can buy him a new rug here.:thumbs:

 

I just wish James as articulate as he is would bash it out with David Wolpe, been asking for this for years. I so much want to see Mr Wolpe saved.

Please if you get a moment from yourselves pray for David Wolpe that he may become a Christian.

 

It's not that His death is lacking any power to cause insufficiency, it is the power of doubt and unbelief that causes one's faith or lack of faith to make that person insufficient of the power of grace.

A person cannot even be saved apart from belief that Jesus is the Son of God.:1_grouphug:

 

It's beyond me. That's for sure. All is done in righteousness and clay and potter. I just say thank you Lord. And have mercy on others, it's this latter lack of understanding in others that bothers me.

 

Oh, come on.
You don't really believe all those Bible verses, do you, now ?
I mean, come on...
yea, did God say that ?
No, Paul did.:tonofbricks:

 

All Cals believe that Christ only died for some. That is a fact. Limited atonement. James White is no different. He is arrogant and insulting to those who don't believe in the TULIP.

 

Give him a break. Let's all try to work it out a bit. Call a truce for a year or two.

The Klingons were always hard to deal with

 

==I don't find that to be true at all. He is tough on those who can't defend their positions well. I have seen Dr. White in many debates and he is polite towards those who he can respect. However those who are just pushing their traditions (Baptist, Catholic, otherwise) will not enjoy their debate with him. In my opinion, that is the way it should be. In this case I think his stance against Dr. Caner is too harsh. I'm not saying that I totally disagree with Dr. White. Caner clearly does not engage in the type of debates he should as President of a seminary that says it is on the frontline of global apologetics (they offer an MA in Global Apologetics which, btw, I would love to do), his definition of "debate" is far too broad, and his approach towards difficult theological issues is far too simplistic. I don't think Dr. Caner is a bad man nor do I think he is a liar. He is a very nice man and I believe he is a good Christian man. However his approach is not what I expect from a major seminary president. Don't get me wrong, he has the degrees for the job (MA. Criswell College, MDiv. and ThM. Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, ThD. University of South Africa), he just does not behave like a seminary president should.

 

==Your probably right. However I have had my concerns about Dr. Caner since he was appointed by Jerry Falwell.

 

==It costs money to host a website, travel, purchase equipment, and buy the necessary books (etc). Ministries and churches have to pay the bills after all. AOMIN has produced many wonderful books by Dr. White, along with sermons, and very helpful debates. He is one of the best debators I have seen in a long time. People who get into a debate with him who are not prepared will not enjoy the experience.

 

It has nothing to do with power. God ordained that man has a choice and some decide not to believe Him. Is not God able to do this if He so desired?

 

==Some? How about the vast majority? No, better yet, how about all? The Bible says that man left to himself does not and cannot come to Christ (Jn 6:44, Rom 3:10-18). That is not just a Calvinistic teaching, that is a Biblical teaching. Even Arminius himself acknowledged this point.

 

So when Caner was speaking of the Reformed apologists, you think he was speaking about James White. Surely White believes so.

Yes White is bold, but I'm wondering if this is an area where we can respectfully debate and not divide? Is the Arminian/Calvinism controversy considered an essential doctrine in either direction? Can we as Christians unite and agree to respect each others views on God's sovereignty and man's responsibility?