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Jeff Sessions Overreach.

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Bro. Curtis, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Looks like a good move to me. Drug lords will move or hide their ill gotten assets if given the slightest opportunity. Seizing them pursuant to strong probable cause and other legal protections for the accused, and returning them when proven to have been legally obtained, seems to me to be a logical and sane thing to do.


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    Yes, but this is about the federal government taking assets that state or local authorities have already seized.
     
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    Is it? I didn't read it that way, so I'll take another look.


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    Very disappointing. We really loved him in Alabama. I expected much better from him than this.
     
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    Sounds more like something you'd see in the old Soviet Union than anything we would expect in America.

    "We will take what we want. Prove it's yours."

    This is not acceptable here. It's why our Founders wrote the 4th and 5th Amendments, precisely to protect citizens from this.
     
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    I saw it in another article. Seems like a federal money grab to me.

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Wednesday rolled out a new civil asset forfeiture policy aimed at expanding law enforcement's ability to seize property from people suspected of criminal activity.

    The new policy allows the federal government to take all assets seized lawfully by state or local law enforcement whenever the crime causing the seizure violates federal law.


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    I'm asking you to turn in your small government conservative credentials. This is a law created and perfected in the racist democrat south.
     
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    Yes, agree. There are a lot of big government conservatives. So long as the federal government does things that advance conservative causes they are all for the action. We just saw that last week when many on BB were in favor of Trump's federal election commission gathering voter data from the states. Parts of the Homeland Security Act is made up of this sort of big government "protection".
     
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    that's just ^ federal election oversight, this is different

    disappointed yet again by Sessions, don't trust reason site on a matter like this but it's accurate this time. Due process? Fourth Amendment? Jackboot.
     
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    Funny really. Loretta Lynch made her reputation seizing property. It's been going on for years. Now everyone wants to get upset about. Because it's coming from Sessions? Seems like it's more important who does it than what is actually done. Kinda like Trump's immigration order would have been legal if someone else had written it. Is this becoming a habit?


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    I don't know where it's roots are, but asset confiscation of criminally gained assets has been going on for a long long time.


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    Loretta Lynch had her critics, I do believe.
     
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    Not what this is about.
     
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    Apparently not.


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    Yes, confiscation was done by the proper local authorities. But now the Feds are empowered to take 100% of these assets.
     
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    Not true.

    Just for violations of federal law.


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    No. No. No. Read the original tweet.
     
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    I believe what it's really about us the fact that a lot of states are abandoning civil forfeiture, which has much the same rules as those proposed by Sessions (with all it's accompanying abuses), and changing to criminal forfeiture laws which require a conviction. Sessions wants to continue the same type of "probable cause" standards that apply to 4th amendment search and seizure cases now.

    Some of that is supposition because Sessions reasoning is not explained here.


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    It clearly says so in the first paragraph of his order.


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