Jesus on the cross?

God, that is the Word who was God and was with God and was made flesh gave his life a ransom for many.

Now let me ask. Did the Word who as the Word of this is said, "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" including I assume having eternal life give up being eternal including life when this is said of him? But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: (five translations emptied himself) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Which brings about the purpose for this statement. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given (BY resurrection) to the Son to have life in himself;

If God killed him did God give him life again?

New thread maybe?

 

It was God's will that Jesus be turned over to wicked men as a sacrifice of sinners.

So God decreed that it be done. Wicked men did it. God's will is always carried out.

God's intent in it was good and the intent of the wicked men was not.

Genesis 50:20 ESV
20 As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today.

So, it is the Father's action of providing his Son. It is the Son's action of going willingly. It is the action of wicked men that carried it out.

 

Ok, I'll ask the question (again) for Convicted1:


But, did God kill Jesus Himself???

OR

Did God allow these wicked men to crucify Jesus??

 

I doubt it. You may have read what you misunderstood to be fatalism but I doubt that anyone has posted anything of the sort on baptistboard.

If you think they have, provide posts.

God and Herod, Pilate, the Jews and the Romans.

Acts 4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

 

According to the Holy Bible..

it was God the Father who nailed His own Son, tHE lord jesus, upon the Cross..
To die as a substitutionary sacrifice on behalf of sinners like me..
GOD used the jewish and gentiles peoples of the time to accomplish it, but it was will and act of God all the way thru!

 

BUT..
the Bible is very clear that salvation is of the LORD.
That the father did send forth his Son, in likeness of sinless flesh, to die on behalf of a lost race.... mankind
God is the initiator of the Gospel, and its completer
In Genesis, the LORD said that the Messiah would come one day to redeem mankind...
God had the Gospel before there was even Sin in His Creation, or at the time first Sin occurred..
Why is it so hard to believe that to God be the glory, as He was the one to give us his Son directly as a sacrifice on our behalf?

 

More food for thought.

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

 

A defining verse in this discussion is Acts 2:23:

"Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, YE have taken, and by wicked hands, have crucified and slain."

Notice what Peter was saying: Jesus death on the cross was determined by God; yet he described the human hands which crucified Jesus as wicked.

Here is God's sovereignty and human responsibility in a single verse.

 

Amen brother.

 

Hope

We know most of these verses in Lamentations are pretty grim like we see in the midst of the cross, but just like in the midst of these verse we see also the hope in them and also the cross.

Lamentations 3:
22 Because of the LORD’s great love we are not consumed,
for his compassions never fail.
23 They are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
24 I say to myself, “The LORD is my portion;
therefore I will wait for him.”

25 The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him,
to the one who seeks him;
26 it is good to wait quietly
for the salvation of the LORD.
27 It is good for a man to bear the yoke
while he is young.

28 Let him sit alone in silence,
for the LORD has laid it on him.
29 Let him bury his face in the dust—
there may yet be hope.
30 Let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him,
and let him be filled with disgrace.

31 For no one is cast off
by the Lord forever.
32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
so great is his unfailing love.
33 For he does not willingly bring affliction
or grief to anyone.

 

As He was being crucified, Jesus said, "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

For whom exactly, was Jesus interceding?

 

For Tom Butler

This was my post way back at #9.

 

You are always welcome.

One must have an understanding of what evil is if he is to attempt an answer to this question.

Evil is nothing. It is simply the absence of good.

Just as darkness is nothing. Darkness has no energy, no molecular structure, no being. Darkness is nothing. It is simply the absence of light.

Darkness is not eternal either. God is light and in him is no darkness at all. If God is light and at some point in eternity past there was only God, which MUST have been the case or other things are eternal like God, then there was a time that darkness did not exist. There was only God and his eternal attributes.

At some point before God made the universe darkness came to be. We don't know when or how. We don't have to. We just have to know that God is light and in him is no darkness and God was all there was once and therefore there was a time when there was no darkness.

But we do KNOW what darkness is. It is NOTHING. It is the absence of light.

JUST SO evil is the absence of good.

In order for evil to exist (as much as something that is nothing can exist) in a place, good must vacate from that place.

So when evil came to be in the heart of Lucifer, it required simply the removal of God's goodness from that heart.

You may not totally agree with that but you MUST agree with this: Evil could NOT have existed in the once good heart of Lucifer unless God had allowed it.

The only way God could allow unholiness to exist is to remove holiness from it.

That is the answer to how evil came to be in the hearts of Christ's killers.

Now, you owe us some proof as to your claim that fatalism has been promoted on this board. Where? What posts? You ought to back up such claims.

 

Yep, that pretty well settles it.