Jew is a religous term only

Jews have been meticulous in passing down oral tradition and lineage. How did Paul know he was a Jew? Even after his conversion, he STILL considered himself a Jew...why?

Gal. 2:15 "We are Jews by nature (or birth) and not sinners from among the Gentiles;

How is someone a Christian by nature (or birth)?

 

They are one in the same in manner of a nation, not religion.

Something has skewed your sense of logic and reasoning.

So is Greek a nation or a Religion?

 

What religion is Gentile?

 

What were Gentiles before there were Jews? So Jews can be Gentiles?

 

Abraham was the first Jew, he was a Gentile

This is discussion is giving me tired head. You and I will never agree on this solely based on your belief that a Jew and an Israelite are not the same; basically the preservation that was promised to the Jew is no longer in place is what I gather from your discussion points.

But like I said, we won't agree on this.......

 

I am a manager of a 3 shift department and often times I have to work 3rd shift. Which, after working from 6 to 4 the very day I have to work 3rd, it wears me out, so this may not make much sense, but I found that it pertains to the current conversation, debate, discussion.

I have a new employee I haven't had the honor of speaking with on an informal basis. I found out that he is in fact a Jew, his mother is a Levite. His father's side he hasn't traced back far enough yet, a work still yet in progess.

In 1955 his family moved from Europe to Israel, he lived there until 1983. His family converted to Christianity, while in Israel. He considers himself a Jew as well as a Christian, perhaps you have heard of Messianic Jews. That is how he refers to himself.

He believes himself to be both a Jew and an Israelite because they are one in the same. "You can convert to Judaism, but that doesn't mean you are a Jew", "You are born a Jew and choose to follow Christ"

So, I guess I met an Israelite tonight.......

 

No gentile has ever been referred to as a jew. They became prosylytes...God Fearers. The promise, btw, was to Abraham who's descendants became the Iraelites, and even in their times of disobedience (which was pretty much the majority of the time), God's promises remained, and they never became anything but His people.

I showed you exactly how Paul used the phrases interchangeably in Romans.

Gentiles were saved in the same manner, and they weren't Jews. Where was Rahab the prostitute ever called a Jew?

Spiritually, yes...physically, no. The Messiah had to come through this line, so the physical was just as important.

Replacement Theology is false doctrine easily refuted by Romans 9 - 11.

This is silly...ALL Israelites were jewish.

 

GUP20"Jesus WAS saved by following The Law" Jesus was SAVED??? From what??:type:

 

Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Saved from death and hell, which was the default fate for all human beings - even the Saints which came before such as David the Psalmist.

 

Actually, Abraham was the first Christian.... first person saved by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ. At least, that's what scripture says:

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gen 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

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Genesis 17 goes on to establish God's covenant with Abraham - that he would be the father of many nations. Genesis 17 has the phrase "thee, and thy seed" 6 times throughout the establishment of the "Jewish Covenant".

Yes, I think Jew and Israelite are the same thing, but I do not believe the promises - even those of preservation - were to the Jews, but were in fact to Abraham's seed - which is Christ. Therefore, those who are "in Christ" are heirs according to the promise.

Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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