Featured John 3:19-21

Speaking of both Jews and Gentiles:

Rom. 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

You cannot honestly respond that this applies only to Jews since Paul says it applies to "BOTH" Jews and "GENTILES" (v. 9).

You cannot honestly respond that this applies only to SOME Jews and Gentiles as Paul says "there is NONE....NO, NOT ONE"

I anticipate you will simply ignore this clear Biblical testimony and philosophize/rationalize that some must be good and doing good or else.........etc.

Your problem is that God defines good differently than you define good. God defines good according to his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS when it comes to being "good" enough to enter heaven. His own GLORY is His standard of "good" and "ALL have come short of the GLORY OF GOD" (Rom. 3:23) and thus there are none good no, not one - NOT ONE!

Jesus also says "THERE IS NONE GOOD but one, and that is God" (Lk. 18:19).

He did not say "THERE ARE SOME that are not good"! This is what you say but not Christ or Paul or any writer in the New Testament.

Now, before men there are many judged to be "good" because men judge "good" relatively by comparing men with men. However, God's standard is HIMSELF and "good" is to be as good as God - "Be ye therefore perfect EVEN AS God is perfect" (Mt. 5:46). That is how Jesus defines "good" enough to go to heaven. In order to go to heaven your goodness, righteousness must exceed the best of religious men"

"Except your righteousness exceed the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees ye shall in no wise enter the kingdom of heaven." - Mt. 5:20

You won't accept God's Word so you pit scripture against scripture, rationalize and make up your own theology as you go along! Instead of dealing honestly with the scripture you just call everyone "calvinists" who dare use these scriptures simply because they don't fit your own rationalized humanistic theology.

 

What are you trying to say here?
Do you know that the media tells us that many times a homosexual couple will do a better job at raising a child then many heterosexual couples do. (I stress the word many times.
Do you know that there are homosexual serving in our armed forced defending our nation. Is that not a good thing?
No, it is not good. Hopefully you can see that anything done by the homosexual is wrong. It is equally wrong in God's sight for anything done by any unsaved person. For everything that he does will never merit heaven. God does not look upon them. They are not even worthy to be considered.

The entire passage is a prayer. In verse six he admits that all the good we do are as filthy rags in God's sight. And it is. In verse 8 he begins a prayer of repentance with a realization of who we are in God's sight. God is the potter we are the clay. God is sovereign; He can do as he wishes. In verse 9, he asks for forgiveness. "Do not remember our sins forever he prays." He admits that he deserves the condemnation that he previously mentioned. That there is nothing good in ourselves; that all we do is as filthy rags. But he prays that God would not hold our sorry state against us, and forgive us because of his wonderful mercy and compassion. He praises him in verse 11.

 

Then why have you been arguing against this truth. This is what I have been saying all along, and you have been denying it. We all sin. Only Christ can give us a new nature.

That is what I have been saying. Why have you been arguing against me? Finally you agree. What made you change your mind?

Sin won't cause us to lose our salvation, but you are right in that God will not accept a "right sacrifice" with an "impure heart."

I wouldn't disagree.

 

Look back at my posts.
I have continually explained to you that the good that man does cannot merit him eternal life. His good works are as filthy rags, if they are to merit eternal life. It would make the sacrifice of Christ vain, useless. Good works cannot merit eternal life, and therefore God looks upon them as filthy rags. They apply, therefore to the unsaved.

 

Why do you talk like this? No one ever said that they never felt "bad" or remorse over sin after they were saved. Where do you get this idea from? This is almost like an inferred false accusation. Where did anyone of us say that?

What we did say, is that it is impossible, even for a Christian, to go through life without sin. The Scripture backs that up in many places, especially in 1John 1:8,10; 2:1,2.

 

When one gets saved they ought to feel remorse for sin.
After one gets saved and they sin, they should feel remorse for any sin they have committed. But that sorrow should not swallow them up with such grief that they should fear of losing their salvation, for that will never happen. We confess our sins, and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. Our fellowship is restored and we continue on.

The reference to "filthy rags" is a reference to man's good works before he is saved. There is nothing the unsaved man can do to please God. Christ died for his sins. The wrath of God abides on that man. Not until he trusts Christ as Savior will God's wrath be appeased. It will not be satisfied with that sinner's good works. Those works are like filthy rags in the sight of God. Anything that I did before salvation was as filthy rags in the sight of God.

 

When the Holy Spirit convicts them of the enormity of their sin; they are criminals against a holy and righteous God. They have sinned against the Holy One, the God of Heaven.

And........
There is one interpretation, but many applications.

 

My answer was clear enough.

It is a quote from the OT. We use the principle that is being taught.

 

Though Satan should buffet, though trials should come,
Let this blest assurance control,
That Christ has regarded my helpless estate,
And hath shed His own blood for my soul.


My sin, oh, the bliss of this glorious thought!
My sin, not in part but the whole,
Is nailed to the cross, and I bear it no more,
Praise the Lord, praise the Lord, O my soul!
--Horatio Spafford.

Any good work not done to the glory of God is as filthy rags in God's sight.

 

False! Read 2 Cor. 7:10-11! There is a natural convicting power of the word of God that does not produce Godly sorrow unto salvation (seen in Judas). However, that is exactly what God uses upon the elect prior to regeneration. In regeneration there is a godly sorrow that leads to conversion. Regeneration and conversion are inseparable in time but not in logical order or in cause versus consequence relationship. However, all that is far too above your comphrension level.

You are just plain ignorant of the scriptures. Don't you realize that ALL OF THE NEW TESTAMENT teaching on the nature of fallen man is taken from the Old Testament Scriptures???????? Find any teaching in the New Testament about the fallen condition of man that is not drawn from the Old Testament scriptures!!!

All of it is based upon Genesis 2:17-3:15. Paul draws his teachings about the condition of fallen man from David and the Psalms and other Old Testament prophets!

Do you really think the fallen condition of a Jew is different than the fallen condition of a gentile??? Are you that ignorant???? The fallen condition is not unique to Jews!!!!! Go back to your pastor and learn the abc's of scripture (if he knows them)!

Isaiah 65:4-6 equally describes all men "FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE for ALL have sinned..." (Rom. 3;23).