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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Aug 11, 2020.

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  1. Barry Johnson

    Barry Johnson Well-Known Member

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    He said he would lose non of them ( disciples ) that were given . My point is about what it doesn't say. Which is assumed ..its assumed all believed who were drawn . . Jesus said HE will draw ALL men to him when he be lifted up ( Attracted ) Does this also mean ALL believe also ?
    Judas is not a typical Christian you say ? Well none of John 6.44 is speaking about salvation in the Church age . Jesus hasn't gone to the cross yet . Acts 2 hasn't happened yet . The Holy Spirit is not given yet .
    //Was Judas in fact DRAWN by God the Father? (Had to be according to the text . )
    Did Judas learn of the Father? " (My sheep hear my voice ,you say )
    Did Judas have his heart of stone removed and a heart of flesh put in its place? ( Ez 36.26 has nothing to do with any gentiies in 2020 . Its ISRAEL and its yet to happen. Read the verses . It is all about ISRAEL .)
    Was Judas dead in his sins and made alive by the gift of salvation by grace through faith not of himself, but a gift from God?( Well the Holy Spirit was not sealing anyone until the day of redemption until after the resurrection. Nor was anyone ' born again ' until AFTER the resurrection )
     
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    You keep confusing John 6:44 where the SON promises to raise all that the FATHER DRAWS (implying that all that the Father draws are saved and contrasting them with the unbelievers that were following but told to stop complaining in John 6:43) with John 12:32 where the SON promises that the SON will DRAW all men to himself (with no promise of an “all men” salvation).

    ALL the FATHER Draws will be raised at the last day (saved). John 6:44
    The Son draws “ALL MEN” (not just Jews) to Himself. John 12:32
     
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    This is closed.
    Feel free to start a new similar one
     
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