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John MacArthur - Salvation Possible for Those Who Have the Mark of the Beast

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  1. SavedByGrace

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    This Bible says 100% NO!

    Revelation 14:11

    "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”
     
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    I have nothing to do with seven-year tribulations and so forth, so I will not comment on that part. I will just share this verse: 1 John 1:9. 'If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.' I see no qualification there. I do not believe that there is any sin so heinous that the blood of Christ cannot cover it.
    With regard to Revelation 14:11, I would juxtapose Revelation 22:15. Are we saying that sexual immorality, lying and even murder cannot be forgiven if they are sincerely repented of?
     
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    Mr. MacArthur is in error.

    Firstly, the Tribulation is not a 7 year period, it is a 3.5 year period ( that begins in the middle of the 70th "week" of years, Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15-22, Revelation 13:5 ) of the worst plagues, destruction and death that has ever happened ( or will ever happen ) to men.
    It will take more lives than any other period of catastrophe except for the Flood of Noah's day.

    Secondly, the Bible is very clear about those who take the mark of the beast...
    They will indeed suffer the wrath of God, just as Revelation 14:9-11 tells us:

    " And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11 and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name
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    Those who take the mark will be tormented day and night, forever and ever.

    But we do know from other passages that the "beast", or Anti-Christ, who has been given the power to rule for 42 months, shall not deceive God's elect...
    Because false prophets and false christs will not be able to deceive them ( Matthew 24:24 ).

    They will neither take his mark, nor will they be deceived into thinking that he is the Lord come again.
     
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    I cannot watch YouTube, is there a transcript somewhere?
     
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    Well, what if a Christian was held down and forced to take the mark against her will? Would that remove Holy Spirit indwelling? Of course not.

    You are wrong

    peace to you
     
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    The mark is not a physical thing.
    Read earlier that God marks his saints. There is no physical thing being done. The mark is evidenced by what a person believes. In that regard, all believers and unbelievers, today, are marked. The idea of the forehead or hand is the symbol of mind and body.
    The encouragement in Revelation is that the children of God are marked by God so that nothing the devil does can remove them from God's grace.
     
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    Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

    6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

    6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

    6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

    Brother Glen:)
     
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    In v.16 Paul is referring to the scars from wounds he endured during persecution for the cause of Christ.

    The “mark” of God upon believers is indwelling Holy Spirit.

    peace to you
     
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    I'm sure Paul had both... Brother Glen:)... Peace to you too!
     
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    I know that Christ said all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven, except for blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which is a sin of the tongue. Receiving the mark is not that.
     
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    There is not ONE verse in the Bible that teaches, that anyone can be saved after they receive the Mark of the Beast. This is an impossibility, as this Mark determines that they are eternally damned.
     
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    that is not the point of what MacArthur is saying. He says that those who do receive the Mark of the Beast, whatever it may be, can be saved if they repented. This, the Bible says is IMPOSSIBLE
     
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    Your statement is simply untrue. Jesus clearly stated the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy the Holy Spirit, which was attributing the miraculous work of Holy Spirit to satan.

    Christians have the mark of God upon them. Everything else is cleansed by the blood of Jesus.

    You are taking a passage intended to be symbolic and claiming the grace of God becomes an impossibility for some people even if they repent and accept Christ by faith.

    Shame on you for such false teaching.

    peace to you
     
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    " And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."
    ( Revelation 13:16-17 ).
     
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    Sounds pretty physical to me.
     
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    The Mark of the Beast seems to be a very special case, as the person receiving it would know that means are denying Jesus is Lord...
    They would be denying Jesus, and would be the ones who never were one of his own...
     
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    " For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
    8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    9 [even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
    ( 2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 ).
     
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