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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Nov 16, 2021.

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    Luke 22:19-21, ". . . And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table. . . ."
     
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    Judas was a demon. Did Christ die for demons?
     
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    here we go, yet another strawman argument from the desperate reformed! NO WHERE in the Bible is Judas called a demon! Get your facts right before posting nonsense!
     
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    “Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?” John 6:70 (KJV 1900)
     
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    Jesus is here using διάβολος, in the literal sense of "prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely", and "to be prompted and governed by him". This does not make Judas a "demon", as in the sense of the fallen angels!

    John 8:44 explains what Jesus means

    You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
     
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    Are you suggesting Judas wasn't demon-possessed when Mary had 7 demons?
     
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    demon "possession", is not the same as being a demonic fallen angel! Judas was NEVER an angel who fell, he was a human being!
     
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    Jesus said he was a demon. Are you thinking Jesus was wrong?
     
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    did you read #6? do you know that words do have different meanings?
     
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    But you deny Jesus' exact words.
     
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    Jesus' Words were originally written in Greek, and not English. The word that Jesus uses is διάβολος, and as I have shown from above, it simply means, "prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely". I also gave an example from John 8. All of which you ignore, and keep repeating your personal assertion!
     
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    Jesus said he was a demon. He is God and knows all.
     
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    if you say so! :rolleyes:
     
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    [John 6:70, MLV, "Jesus answered them, Did I not choose you° the twelve and one out-of you° is a slanderer?]
     
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    Shopping for translations to support your ideas?
    “And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him;” John 13:2 (KJV 1900)
     
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    you are getting it at last! the devil SUGGESTED to Judas to betray Jesus, which is not the same as Judas turning into a demon!
     
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