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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by steaver, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. steaver

    steaver Well-Known Member
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    Seeing how Calvinist claim there is no good work which shall proceed out of man except it be that God Himself does that good work Himself through that person. And seeing how Calvinist claim ALL good works were foreordained by God and people have absolutely no choice in these matters, as to whether to perform or not perform such works, what then does the Calvinist see is the purpose of the JSoC?
     
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    You seriously do not understand that the judgment seat of Christ is for believers only????
     
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    Never said that...reread my first post...
     
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    Ahhhh, I misread this originally...
    You believe in pre-trib rapture?
     
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    Different subject...start a new thread. My question is specific concerning the JSoC and it's relation to good works as seen by the Calvinist model that ALL good works belong to God alone and the person receives absolutely no merit for performing such works. You know the Calvinist motto.....ALL OF GOD!!!!!! YOU have done NOTHING!!!
     
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    The Judgement seat will seperate them, Brother Steaver...
     
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    If you want to take this position then you have no other choice but to believe both sheep and goats get saved, brother Willis...

    "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

    If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."
     
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    Wow!! You couldn't be more wrong.

    https://www.raptureready.com/abc/Judgment_Seat_of_Christ.html

    http://www.gty.org/resources/questions/QA97/What-is-the-purpose-of-the-Judgement-Seat-of-Christ

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_144.cfm

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/Doctrines/hebrews_927.htm

    http://christianity.stackexchange.c...udgment-seat-of-christ-and-the-great-white-th
     
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    From what I've gathered in reading and studying, the Great White Throne Judgment features both believers and nonbelievers. The Judgment Seat of Christ, as gleaned from scripture, appears to be for believers only.

    Which begs a question: The Bible explicitly states "it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (Heb 9:27)." But note that "judgment" is singular. Yet, per the reading of the Great White Throne and Judgement Seat of Christ, we see that believers face two judgments.

    Is this accurate? I know it sounds like making a mountain out of a molehill, but we often argue intricate textual differences down to the difference between one thing and two.

    **And yes, I know this is slightly off OP, but I feel it has merit**
     
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    Revelation is a little over my head, I'll readily admit that. But if you read Matthew 25, both sheep and goats are standing before Him when He renders their sentences to them.

    In John 5, He said "the hour is coming when all in the graves will hear His voice and come forth...." here's what He said...


    --"Wonder not at this, because there doth come an hour in which all those in the tombs shall hear his voice, and they shall come forth; those who did the good things to a rising again of life, and those who practised the evil things to a rising again of judgment."(vss 28,29 YLT)

    So in both of these instances, both sheep and goats stand in final judgement before Christ.

    Now, let's go to Revelation 20...

    --"And I saw a great white throne, and Him who is sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and the heaven did flee away, and place was not found for them; and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the dead were judged out of the things written in the scrolls -- according to their works;"(vss 11,12 YLT)

    IMO, 'small and great' is another way of saying 'saved and lost' or 'sheep and goats'. There's one resureection...the general resurrection, and one time in which both saint receive their sentences. There's no 1,007 years betwixt rendered sentences...of course, imo...
     
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    B4L....

    So if this is true, we're gonna have 1,007 years betwixt resurrections and we're goonna be wearing quite a few crowns on our heads. :confused:

    --crown of life...James 1:12
    --crown of righteousness...2 Tim. 4:8
    --crown of glory...1 Peter 5:4
    --incorruptible crown...1 Cor. 9:25
    --crown of rejoicing...1 Thess. 2:19

    How can we wear all of these at once? Will we wear one for a while and then put another one on for a while? :confused:
     
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    Each will face one final judgement and not two, imo. When we die, we will either go up or down...speaking of the soul here...

    When Christ returns at the last trump, the graves burst open and the bodies of both saints and sinners come forth. Even the sea won't keep them that died at sea from coming forth. All stand before Him, and He seperates them as a Shepherd seperates sheep and goats. Their sentence is rendered then...
     
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    I've always believed in a single judgment of all humanity, convicted1. My study of the word and the conviction I feel from the Spirit in what I read has always led me to that point. Then again, I've always studied from the perspective of a rather eclectic amillennialist.

    But the way I'm reading what some people are writing, and from other source around this wonderful internet it seems some people hold that believers will actually face two judgments. I can't go along with that. I was really more curious as to how that was interpreted here.
     
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    Amill here, too. But this 'two judgements' thing is news to me. Why do the saved need to be judged twice? :confused:
     
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    And I agree...I was just pointing out what I'm reading from others and what I'm seeing online.

    I'm led to stick with the statement I originally started from: "it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (Heb 9:27)."
     
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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbs::thumbsup:
     
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    Believers being the object of mercy as Jesus paid their sin debt in full and made mediator and surety and propitiation, have been declared to be righteous.
    The certainty of the Particular redemption makes it certain that God's wrath can no longer come upon them.
    At the bema seat the extent of their glorification and service will be awarded based on what and how they handled the blessings and trials that came their way in this body.
     
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    Do you believe in a general resurrection and that both saints and sinners stand before Christ in one final judgement, Brother Icon?
     
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