just curious

This is the first time I've seen you use the disclaimer "and its ancestors before that"[BrianT]

"Then you haven't been paying attention to what I've been saying.

 

My apologies I had to leave the discussion on Sunday night and have been in meetings. Please sir, explain by what standards do you conclude the errors. Thanks.[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]It was already explained. The name of God is not in the Greek texts; it is in the KJ translation. It is in error to insert the name of God into a statement to give it perceived strength-- even though most people do it.

 

Then please say it again, plainly, just for me: do you mean previous editions of the KJV (1611, 1613, 1629, etc. down to the 1762 and 1769 editions), or do you mean the translations prior to the KJV (Geneva, Tyndale, Bishop's, Great, Rheims, Wycliffe, etc., etc.)?

 

The Rheims had some influence on the KJV translators, even thought it wasn't a "TR" translation. Many of the readings in the KJV come directly from the Rheims.

 

Ya know what, BrianT? I've been praying that the Lord would give you peace about all this, but I think I'm going to ask Him to give you no peace until you get it settled in your heart.

My mind is just boggled by all the things I have encountered on this Board. Great truths of the Word of God have been changed beyond recognition.

"EVEN SO, COME, LORD JESUS"!

 

Where?

 

Them KJV rewriters of the centuries-old Bible just didn't git that there lesson learned, did they?

BTW, 'KJVTIM,' are you a disc jockey and that's your name on the air?</font>[/QUOTE]

 

It is one thing to say I'm wrong, and another to explain how I'm wrong. Please, go ahead.</font>[/QUOTE]My explanation is simple, You must rightly divide the word of truth. Everything in God's word is written for you but it is not all written to you. There are three beings that speak in God's word. God, who never lies, man, who sometimes lies, and satan who frequently lies. Likewise, there are only three groups that are spoken to. These are the jews, the gentiles and the church. In the subject matter of the "love of money" you must read the entire chapter, if you do not understand that Paul is speaking concerning church age doctrine, then I can understand how easily one would be deceived to misinterpret the word of God. Paul says in I Timothy chapter 6:8
"and having food and rainment, let (us) be therewith content." Verse 9 - "but (they) that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lust, which draw men in destruction and perdition." WHY? verse 10 - "for the love of money is the root of all evil: ect...." Paul is speaking to Timothy verse 11 - "but thou, O man of God, ect..." and is giving instruction to the church. Please let the Bible say what it says and not what we want it to say. In the context Paul is not dealing with rape, pride, ect...., but with riches.</font>[/QUOTE]Sorry, but that doesn't explain things. You talk about the context, but you haven't explained how the context means that the love of money isn't "the" root of "all" evil. You are trying to make it passage say the love of money is "a root of all kinds of evil related to riches". Why does the text say "all" when you are telling me it really means "some"? Let the Bible says what it says, and not what you want it to say.

I asked: what is your opinion of Peter Ruckman? You answered:

I am not trying to classify you. But you didn't really answer the question. No matter.

 

No, I am not a disc jockey.However, I do preach on radio station WYEA AM 1290 on Sunday mornings.

 

Thanks for your prayers, Granny. But I already have peace about this subject. A great peace, and a full assurance.

I simply don't understand why you refuse to answer simple, direct questions. Instead, you try to portray me as tainted spiritually. Thanks for your concern, but it is very obvious you are avoiding things.

For example?

 

GRANNYGUMBO, You tell em like it is sister!!. I know exactly what you are talking about. You know what granny,you have a final authority,so do I,so does kjvtim,so does bro.Coley. Most of these people in here don't have a final authority. They want to take God's Word and destroy it. I wonder sometimes if this is the baptist board or the catholic board,or the methodist board,or the church of God board.Wait until you start talking doctrine with them,that is when the wheels really run off.

 

That context I understand. I do not understand how that analogy applies to 1 Tim 6:10.

Do you mean "the love of money"?

Well, there's a circular argument. We are discussing if in fact God really said this, or if the the KJV translators ("the problem is man") could have translated this better, the way other versions do. I wonder, if this phrase was switched between the KJV and NIV, would not the NIV be in error for saying "the" root of "all" evil? Or if Isa 45:7 were switched, would it not be condemned by KJV-only supporters for saying God creates evil? I think it probably would be, and most strenuously.

Well, seeing as I'm not even in the same country, I doubt I'll make it. Why is he coming to your church?

Brian

 

Yes, Granny, please tell us.

I was just going to say "you're wrong", but I think I'll make it a bit stronger: you're lying.

I don't wonder. It says "Baptist Board" at the top of every page.

Yes, tell Granny about your Ruckmanism doctrines. I'm sure she'd like to know about other KJV-onlyists out there.

 

This message is also for Kevo, KJVTim and Granny (and Bro. Coley too, and everyone): 2 Cor 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

Brian

 

Attention,attention all moderators!!BRIANT said I was lying.Is that not a personal attack? I believe I got suspended for calling Larry a fool.There is DR.Ruckman's name again.Live and in person at Victory Baptist Church, Oct.4-6.