Featured Justified while Ungodly !

Thats a lie. Those Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death while they are enemies. Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

The scripture is pretty about the fact that those Christ died for, even while they are enemies, that is even while they are in hostile unbelief, they have nevertheless been reconciled / justified to God, by His Death; Now that being the case, it is inconsistent with reconciliation, for any for whom Christ died, that even while they are enemies in unbelief, to yet be under the God's wrath and condemnation as per Jn 3:18,36

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

That cannot apply to any Christ died for while in unbelief

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Thats impossible for the wrath of God to be abiding on anyone reconciled to God by the death of His Son, even while they believeth not !

 

No Wrath on the Elect !



How can the wrath of God be abiding upon one for whom Christ died, even as they are unbelievers as indicated for these Jn 3:36

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

When the fact is, even as unbelievers and or enemies, they have been reconciled to God by the death of Christ, His Son Rom 5:10b

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Now it is inconsistent to say that these reconciled enemies, by Christ's death, are as unbelievers abiding under God's wrath, that is impossible, furthermore the unbelievers in Jn 3:36 ,it is stated that they shall not see life, simply meaning they will never be saved, but the enemies and unbelievers in Rom 5:10, who are reconciled by Christ's death, the promise to them is that they Shall BE Saved by His Life !

So again it is impossible for them to be those unbelievers in Jn 3:36 under God's abiding Wrath !

 

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Thats a Lie, the death of Christ Justified the Elect, they are Justified by His Blood Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

They were reconciled to God by His Blood, while they were enemies Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Reconciliation and Justification are the same thing, just a different word, and it occured by the Death of Christ or the Blood of Christ alone, apart from any work of the Holy Spirit because they were Justified and reconciled while still dead in trespaases and sins or otherwords enemies. So you preach a lie !

 

Show scripture to disprove what I stated and that supports what you stated !

You need a scripture that says this

 

No Wrath on the Elect ! Pt 2

God's Wrath is against sin and transgressions made against His Law make no doubt about it Eph 5:3-6

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Rom 1:18

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

All of which sins for those Christ died for, hath been abolished by His Cross, done away with Col 2:14

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

All the sins that God's Justice had recorded against the Elect, all their Transgressions Isa 53:5 and Trespasses, all were imputed to Christ's Charge, not theirs 2 Cor 5:19, and by His Death took them away or took it [ the record of them for each Elect Person] out of the way !, His Cross Work took them all Away, to never be before His Law and Justice again, and this was accomplished before they believed, before they were born to begin committing them. So how is it that anyone Christ died for, even before they believe, that God's Wrath abideth on them or is revealed from heaven upon them Rom 1:18 ?? How are they yet condemned for any sin they are committing while unbelievers since those sins have been already laid to Christ Charge and He bore the penalty of Death for them already and took them away forever Jer 50:20

In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

Heb 8:12

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Also Unbelief cannot be why they are condemned and under God's Wrath, because for one it is an iniquity itself that was laid upon Christ, and secondly, those in Jn 3:18 were condemned already before it was manifested they were by their unbelief Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Unbelief is simply a symptom of being in a condemned state, because that one has no Saviour or Mediator and their sins remained unappeased before God's law and Justice !

 

You need a scripture that states what you said !

 

I do not know what you talking about. Its a rabbit trail Off to the races

 

dhk

You need to provide the scripture that says:

That quote is not in Jn 3:36 or Jn 3:18 besides that, you have evaded the point of the posts. God's Elect are not under wrath and or condemnation while in Unbelief. Your comments are first unsubstantiated and a rabbit trail ! So I do not know what you are talking about. Please if you can show anything not true that I have posted in posts 169 and 173 !

 

dhk

Furthermore this statement confirms that you believe in Salvation by Works , which is another subject. That man is saved by using his own intellect. The word works is the greek word ergon and means:

business, employment, that which any one is occupied

a) that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking

2) any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

3) an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

The word mind means:


(in a human or other conscious being) the element, part, substance, or process that reasons, thinks, feels, wills, perceives, judges, etc.: the processes of the human mind.

2.
Psychology . the totality of conscious and unconscious mental processes and activities.

3.
intellect or understanding, as distinguished from the faculties of feeling and willing; intelligence.

The greek word nous means:



the mind, comprising alike the faculties of perceiving and understanding and those of feeling, judging, determining

a) the intellectual faculty, the understanding

b) reason in the narrower sense, as the capacity for spiritual truth, the higher powers of the soul, the faculty of perceiving divine things, of recognising goodness and of hating evil

c) the power of considering and judging soberly, calmly and impartially

2) a particular mode of thinking and judging, i.e thoughts, feelings, purposes, desires

So you boast of salvation by ones intellect. This is more Blasphemy and Apostacy you promote !