KenH's New Original Ron Paul for President Thread

[KenH]

Danford Vander Ploeg: "A Letter to My Democrat Brother-in-Law"

www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/vanderploeg1.html

 

[KenH]

Ron Paul Now in Double Digits in Latest Iowa Poll!

Up 6% in just 4 days from 4%!

www.americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/iarep8-715.html

 

[KenH]

Ron Paul vs. the Dirty Tricksters

http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12102

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

Ron Paul's endorsement page is long and impressive.

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

Paul's unconventional courting of California

 

[KenH]

GOP Is The New Donner Party

12/26/2007
GOP Is The New Donner Party
By: Joe Murray, The Bulletin

"Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow Republican." Such was the advice of the Great Communicator to his fellow Republicans. But that was then and this is now.

Faced with a base unwilling to commit to a candidate, the men running for the Republican nomination have tossed Reagan's 11th commandment in order to preserve their own fledgling campaigns.

Stripped of their moral certitude, searching for their confidence, lacking the supplies needed to forge ahead and wandering with a conservative compass, the GOP candidates have stumbled onto their own Sierra Nevada and have begun to devour themselves out of desperation. Reagan has been replaced by Donner.

But before we get to the most recent example of campaign cannibalism, it is pivotal to understand how we got here so we can understand how to escape and, possibly, win in 2008. Put simply, we must learn the post-Bush terrain.

- rest at www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=19144824&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=623508&rfi=6

 

[KenH]

The Audacity of Nope

This is a GREAT article:

www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7551.html

 

[KenH]

New York Times retracts smear of Ron Paul

New York Times retracts smear of Ron Paul

"Editors’ Note: The post below, which appeared on The Medium on Monday, contained several errors. Stormfront, which describes itself as a “white nationalist” Internet community, did not give money to Ron Paul’s presidential campaign; according to Jesse Benton, a spokesman for Paul’s campaign, it was Don Black, the founder of Stormfront, who donated $500 to Paul. The post also repeated a string of assertions by Bill White, the commander of the American National Socialist Workers Party, including the allegation that Paul meets regularly “with members of the Stormfront set, American Renaissance, the Institute for Historic Review and others” at a restaurant in Arlington, Va. Paul never attended these dinners, according to Benton, who also says that Paul has never knowingly met Bill White. Norman Singleton, a congressional aide in Paul’s office, says that he met Bill White at a dinner gathering of conservatives several years ago, after which Singleton expressed his indignation at the views espoused by White to the organizer of the dinner. The post should not have been published with these unverified assertions and without any response from Paul."

- http://themedium.blogs.nytimes.com/...9163600&en=7b25470d94ea3b8b&ei=5070&emc=eta1/

 

[carpro]

“But something’s happening today, because everything has been undermined,” he continued. The result is a foreign policy that has America viewed as “a bully,” ... "

- rest at http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/19/525674.aspx

Ties in rather well with his assertion that 911 was our fault.

 

[KenH]

Ties in rather well with his assertion that 911 was our fault.

Ron Paul never, ever said that the attacks on 9/11/2001 were "our" fault.

 

[carpro]

Ron Paul never, ever said that the attacks on 9/11/2001 were "our" fault.

Of course, he's too smart to actually say the words, so he dances around it.

But he makes clear that he believes it is our policies in the Middle East that led directly to the terrorist attacks of 911. He talks as if our troops being on Saudi soil with Saudi permission were excuse enough for the murder of 3000 people.

He sounds a lot like the Saudi sheik that donated 10 million dollars along with almost the same lecture Paul uses concerning our Middle east policies. Rudy G. told the Saudi sheik to keep his money and his lecture.

 

[KenH]

1) Of course, he's too smart to actually say the words, so he dances around it.

2) He talks as if our troops being on Saudi soil with Saudi permission were excuse enough for the murder of 3000 people.

1) In other words, carpro, you made it up.

2) Ron Paul never, ever made an excuse for the barbarians who attacked these United States on 9/11/2001.

 

[carpro]

1) In other words, carpro, you made it up.

2) Ron Paul never, ever made an excuse for the barbarians who attacked these United States on 9/11/2001.

He has clearly indicated that our policies in the Middle east were the cause of 911.

I don't see how anyone at all could miss his meaning. Indications by Paul are that , if we had followed his policies of "nonintervention", we would never have given terrorists a reason to attack us.

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

Actually, Rudy Giuliani works for communist Hugo Chavez:

By the late 1990s Bracewell & Patterson was known as the largest recipient of oil-industry lobbying contracts. In March 2007 it was revealed that a lawyer at Bracewell & Giuliani was acting as a lobbyist on behalf of the Houston-based, Venezuelan state-owned petroleum company Citgo before the Texas legislature, with the firm receiving $100,000 to $200,000 in billings after having registered to lobby for Citgo on April 26, 2005, less than a month after Giuliani joined the firm. Citgo had been the focus of boycott efforts due to the Socialist policies of President Hugo Chavez and allegations by the U.S. Government that Venezuela had "not cooperated" in the War on Terror.

Also note:

Giuliani Partners has had contracts since 2005 with Qatar's Ministry of the Interior, for security advice and consulting services. These contracts were overseen by Minister Abdullah bin Khalifah Al Thani, a member of Qatar's royal family. Al Thani has numerous ties to terrorist organizations, including providing safe haven to Al Qaeda leaders in the 1990s, and helping Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (who later went on to mastermind the September 11, 2001 attacks) elude capture by the FBI in 1996.

I could find more, but I trust you can both type & google, carpro, as well as I can.

 

[poncho]

Of course, he's too smart to actually say the words, so he dances around it.

But he makes clear that he believes it is our policies in the Middle East that led directly to the terrorist attacks of 911. He talks as if our troops being on Saudi soil with Saudi permission were excuse enough for the murder of 3000 people.

He sounds a lot like the Saudi sheik that donated 10 million dollars along with almost the same lecture Paul uses concerning our Middle east policies. Rudy G. told the Saudi sheik to keep his money and his lecture.

Ten questions...for Rudy G.

1. Are your company's security contracts with Qatar negotiated and administered through the Qatar Ministry of the Interior, as a government spokesman confirmed to the Village Voice?

2. Are you aware that the interior minister appointed in 2001 and reappointed this year by the emir of Qatar is Abdullah al-Thani, the former minister of Islamic affairs and a strict Wahhabi Muslim who has been identified in U.S. press and government reports as a protector of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

3. Are you aware that Abdullah al-Thani, a strict Wahhabi Muslim, reportedly hosted Osama bin Laden on two visits to his Qatari farm?

4. Were you aware of that allegation against Abdullah al-Thani when you agreed to work for the Qatar government in 2005?

5. Are you aware that Abdullah al-Thani is a defendant in federal civil lawsuits brought by survivor families against officials deemed directly or indirectly culpable for the 9/11 attacks?


6. Are you aware that former CIA officer Robert Baer has accused Abdullah al-Thani of helping KSM escape from Qatar just before he was to be arrested in 1996 by the FBI?

7. Are you aware that Baer's account, based on the testimony of a former Qatari official, implicates the emir in KSM's escape as well?

8. Did you ever discuss Abdullah al-Thani's alleged terrorist ties with your friend Louis Freeh, the former FBI director, or with the two former FBI counterterrorism agents who work for Giuliani Security?

9. Were you aware when you agreed to provide security services to the emirate in 2005 that the U.S. State Department's annual report on worldwide terrorism released several months earlier had criticized Qatar for coddling Islamist extremists and permitting "members of transnational terrorist groups" to reside there?

10. Are you aware that the government of Qatar has hosted the leadership of Hamas and provides millions of dollars monthly to the Hamas authorities in Gaza -- and that the emir applauded Hezbollah's "victory" over Israel during last summer's war in Lebanon?

SOURCE

Just asking.

One question for Carpro,

Who helped form and radicalize "Al Qeada" aka the base, as in CIA database? Two guesses.

 

[poncho]

Oops! Hit the button one to many times.

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

New TV Ad for Paul here.

 

[carpro]

The United States "must address some of the issues that led to such a criminal attack."

Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal



" Dominating the Persian Gulf is not a benign activity. It has consequences. The attack on the USS Cole was a warning we ignored."

Ron Paul referring to the 911 attacks

Ron Paul

 

[poncho]

And what was the state's response to 9/11? You remember?

Oops, we're so stupid....but we can fix if we get more funding more power and more control. Guess what happened next? We gave it to em. Just like we do everytime they claim to be inept and ask for more more more.

The state isn't stupid it knows that calamity and lawlessnes is it's best friend and meal ticket.

BTW Carpro, the 9/11 commision agrees with Paul about "blowback" and so do our intell agencies.

 

[carpro]

"For the critics of our policy of foreign interventionism in the affairs of others the attack on New York and Washington was not a surprise and many have warned of its inevitability."

Ron Paul

There is no doubt at all that Paul believes 911 was caused by our Middle East policies. I can't imagine why anyone would bother to deny it.