Kerry's hypocrisy

One of the biggest complaints about Bush is that he "went it alone" in Iraq. Apart from being blatantly untrue, he most certainly did not give the UN veto power over our sovereignty and independence. Whether he was right or wrong to go to Iraq, he did it independently of any world body's approval.

 

Wow.

 

Were there any repercussions for refusing an order?

It's beyond dispute that Bush Junior received special favored treatment, but does it matter to anyone?

 

These are more attacks by people who don't want to run on a twenty year Senate record. Just as the some on the republican side are dumb to appeal to Vietnam, those on the democratic side are dumb to appeal to Vietnam.

 

ScotJ said that not showing up (is that different from going AWOL?) was no big deal, so I was just wondering, since he has had NG experience, if refusing an order was similarly glossed over routinely.

ScotJ also asked why Kerry had not released his records as Bush had. It now (emphasis on the present year) appears that selected papers went missing, much like our boy did back in '72.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "appeal to Vietnam". Do you mean like, "Kerry made broad brush accusations that were not true. There were atrocities committed, but nowhere near the extent that Kerry would have had people believe"?

The timing of this call to put the past behind us is interesting, not having appeared in the first 6 pages that trashed Kerry (in which you seem to gleefully participate).

 

"...On November 8, 2002, the day the UN Security Council passed Resolution 1441 calling for Iraq to disarm per earlier Security Council resolutions, President Bush stated: "America will be making only one determination: is Iraq meeting the terms of the Security Council resolution or not?... If Iraq fails to fully comply, the United States and other nations will disarm Saddam Hussein."

"..."[C]ombat forces of the United States, Great Britain, Australia, Poland and other countries enforced the demands of the United Nations...."

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...‘‘Today in Baghdad," President George Bush told reporters at a June 1 Rose Garden press briefing, "U.N. Special Envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, and Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, announced the members of Iraq’s new interim government."

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Finally, a quiz question:

President Ronald Reagan, because of the anti-Christian tendencies of UNESCO, wiselhy withdrew the US from the organization.

Which president reversed the policy and got us back in:

A) George Bush Sr.
B) Bill Clinton
C) George W. Bush

 

Apparently these were in personal files, not in Bush's files.

No, I mean like appealing to issues of 30 years ago for a race that is being run today. Kerry has a 20 year Senate record he has ignored (for obvious reasons .. you can't win a national election on it). The election is about issues today.

It is not interesting in the least. I have been saying this for a long time Daisy. This isn't new. And I haven't gleefully participated in anything. As is my custom, I point out truth and offer opinions that are relevant.

Here is a post from May 23 where I said that actions of 30 years ago don't matter. So obviously, I am right when I say this isn't new and the timing isn't interesting. There were other times I said the exact same thing. And strangely enough, I think this is the first time I have said it in reference to Bush. Most of the time it was in reference to Kerry.
http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/18/1512.html?#000007

 

Well yes, exactly. They were missing from Bush's personnel files, but copies were found in his colonel's files (I don't know if they were personal files or official files, but they were offical memos). That's pretty much the point.

Then when you wrote, "Kerry made broad brush accusations that were not true. There were atrocities committed, but nowhere near the extent that Kerry would have had people believe", you were not referencing 30 year old issues somehow?

[Can an issue be "appealed to"? I doubt an issue would particularly care....]

He has not ignored it - you're being a bit inaccurate there.

Au contraire, Larry, it is interesting. In terms of this thread (eg. the six pages), very interesting.

You were full of something - I apparently mistook it for glee, sorry.

That one certainly was not to defend Kerry. The post you linked is refering to McCain's obvious patriotism vs that of Hassert and the "chickenhawks".

Now, who does "chickenhawks" refer to? Thinking, thinking....

 

This pretty much confirms the earlier testimony of an officer in the Guard who saw Bush's records being "sanitized" of possibly embarassing information.

Looks like they missed a few. How about that?

 

Nope. Definitely not trying to use that against Bush. I'm all for having a man who believes in Jesus Christ in office opposed to a Catholic who cheers for partial birth abortion and same sex marriage.

 

Daisy, it is quite obvious to me that you have some serious hatred for President Bush, why I do not understand. The simple point, above all the stories and links that have been posted is this:

As Christians, we are to strive to follow God's commands and live a life like Jesus did, not his life, becuase we are not perfect and can never do it. What kinds of things does the bible speak against? How does the bible tell us to choose our leaders? What are the moral issues involved in this election that directly relate to the actions and beliefs of this nation and its children?
Who exactly would Jesus Christ vote for if he were going to send us the answer via lightning bolt today? LOL

Let's look at the basic moral issues here.(I have Kerry's voting record on my personal website and I can email it to you if you like. Maybe I'll just add it in another post) I'm sick of people whining about the economy and how we shouldn't be in Iraq. Guess what, we're there whether you agree with it or not and no president can take us out of there for the next few years. (Bush inherited the Clinton recession, and the economy is still continuing to grow and improve inspite of 9-11 and Slick Willy) Don't you think that God will take care of us in this country if we can bring back some true faith and conviction and decent leaders? Don't we have enough faith in the Lord to not worry about a dollar or the opinions of the rest of the world? If we could get some kind of morality back in this nation, would that not be a step ahead? The president influences who will be on the Supreme Court, and ultimately who will make and uphold the laws in this country. Do you really want a bunch of liberal, partial birth abortion defending, gay marrying left wingers deciding the fate of our country? You say yes, okay then elect Kerry. you say no, then vote for Bush. The issue is clear. Our struggle is against principalities and wickedness in high places.

Daisy, just for you. I'm getting closer, more to come when I can get a moment to research it for you
"EDWARDS: The administration needs to say to the Congress and to the American people what this war is going to cost over the long term; how long they think we're going to be there. The reason we are in this situation is because this president has not led. He has not addressed the problem of bringing in others. He has not gone to the UN in the way that he should have."
Source: Democratic Primary Debate, Albuquerque New Mexico Sep 4, 2003

 

Just where do the two major candidates stand on the issues?

Talk is cheap.....do you make a decision based on a few months of propaganda, or 20 years of voting records? Make the intelligent choice.

John Kerry's voting record in the senate
ABORTION

Voted to federally fund abortions.

Voted against parental consent for minors.

Voted against ban on Partial Birth Abortion (3 times)

Voted against ban on sending money to UN population fund if the money was sent to pay for China forced abortion and sterilization policy.

NARAL lifetime rating of 100%

National Right to Life Committee lifetime rating of 0%

DEATH PENALTY

Opposes federal death penalty.

Voted against death penalty for terrorists. (recently flip-flopped in 2002)

Voted against death penalty for drug-related murders.

TAXES & BUDGET

Voted against Bush tax cut and wants to repeal portions of Bush tax cut.

Voted for 1993 Clinton tax hike. (largest in history)

Voted against major tax relief packages at least 10 times.

Voted at least 5 times against balance budget amendments.

Kerry voted at least five times to raid The Social Security Trust Fund.

ECONOMY

Incentives to create jobs at home and end corporate welfare. (Jul 2004)

We can do better on economy—lift people out of poverty. (Jul 2004)

Economy is recovering for corporations to some degree. (Jan 2004)

Will follow Clinton’s plan to halve deficit in four years. (Oct 2003)

Base policy on broad growth and progressive taxation. (Oct 2003)

Bush policy kept economy afloat in recession-keep some of it. (Sep 2003)

No excuse for special tax cuts for the rich. (Jun 2003)

Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)

Voted NO on 1998 GOP budget. (May 1997)

Voted NO on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)

MILITARY & NATIONAL SECURITY

Voted for 7 major reductions in military funding Voted against Gulf War I (1991).

Voted for Gulf War II (but then criticized and voted against military appropriation for troops).

Voted against MX missile.

Voted against Trident Submarine.

Voted against SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative – Star Wars).

Voted against B-1 and B-2 Stealth Bomber and Fighter.

Favored UN control of US Troops (in the 1970s).

Supported Slashing $2.6 Billion from Intelligence Funding While Serving as a Member of Senate Intel Committee.

Attended a seminar (the so-called “Winter Soldier Investigation) bankrolled by Jane Fonda in Detroit in February 1971 during which 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testified at a Howard Johnson’s about atrocities allegedly committed by our own forces.

Many of the so-called Veterans were frauds and virtually every alleged atrocity was investigated and proven to be false.

FAITH & VALUES

Voted against ban on human cloning.

Voted Against Defense of Marriage Act (to give states option to decide whether to recognize homosexual marriages in other states).

Sent letter to Massachusetts Legislature opposing Constitutional Amendment defining marriage as solely between a man and a woman.

Favors civil unions for homosexuals.

Voted to extend hate crimes protections to homosexuals.

Voted against a constitutional amendment on flag desecration.

EDUCATION

Voted against voluntary school prayer.

Voted against voucher pilot program.

Voted against approving a school-choice pilot program

JUDGES, COURTS & LAW

Voted against confirmation of Clarence Thomas for Supreme Court Justice.

Voted against confirmation of Robert Bork for Supreme Court Justice.

Voted against confirmation William Rehnquist as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

Voted against confirmation John Ashcroft as US Attorney General.

Voted against punitive damages in products liability cases. As Michael Dukakis Lt. Governor From 1983-1985, Kerry Supported Granting Prison Furloughs To Hundreds Of Massachusetts Inmates.

FOREIGN POLICY

Against linking Most Favored Nation status to China human rights record.

Voted for Kyoto Protocol on Environment that exempted major Third Word polluters.

Supported Iraq regime change as late as January, 2003.

Now has flipped-flopped For Unilateral nuclear Freeze.

Voted against deployment of INF missiles in Europe.

POLITICAL ASSOCIATIONS

Leading member of VVAW (Vietnam Veterans Against the War)

Attended and conducted anti-war and anti-American protests in the 1970s. Organized the Protests.

Votes with Ted Kennedy an average of 94% of the time.

Received $300,000 contribution from Johnny Chung as directed by Chinese intelligence officer.

Supported Communist Sandinistas and visited with leader Communist Daniel Ortega days before Ortega flew to Moscow and received $200 million in Soviet aid.

Has a lifetime rating of 26% from Citizens Against Government Waste.

Has a lifetime rating of 0% from the National Rifle Association.

Lifetime liberal vote rating of 93% from Americans For Democratic Action (5 points higher than Ted Kennedy).

Voted with the liberal activist group, The League Of Conservation Voters, an average of 95% of the time

You can access the most liberal voting history in the country at:
http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/cgi-bin/membervotes.cgi?&lang=&member=MAJR&site=congressmerge&address=&city=&state=&zipcode=&plusfour=&fullvotes=

 

Bush is not a Catholic. And while he approves of many abortions, he opposes "partial birth abortions". And while Bush has appointed a record number of open homosexuals to office, he waffles on same-sex marriage. Sometimes he says it's up to the states, sometimes he says the federal government should overrule the states.

 

Galatian, you are hung up on the facts. It's more fun if you just say "Bush says he's a Christian", and then hypocritically defend or overlook every wrong thing he's done, while criticizing the bad Catholic Democrat for the exact same things.

 

I said: Nope. Definitely not trying to use that against Bush. I'm all for having a man who believes in Jesus Christ in office opposed to a Catholic who cheers for partial birth abortion and same sex marriage

Galatian said: Bush is not a Catholic

Yes, I know that Bush is not Catholic. He's methodist, but the denomination is not what I care about as you can see...
"I'm all for having a man who believes in Jesus Christ in office opposed to a Catholic who cheers for partial birth abortion and same sex marriage"

 

[/QUOTE]And while Bush has appointed a record number of open homosexuals to office, he waffles on same-sex marriage. Sometimes he says it's up to the states, sometimes he says the federal government should overrule the states. [/QB][/QUOTE] from Galatian, quote didn't work right, sorry

So you're saying that President Bush waffles on same sex marriage because he is trying to pass a constitutional ammendment that would ban it!!!!?????? What's the big deal if he gives a homosexual a job? They have to work too. It's not like they're the president or the people in the white house making the big decisions.

 

It's not just "giving a homosexual a job". There are two things to consider:

1) He appointed homosexual activists to political positions. Obviously, that is how the agenda is moved forward. Any agenda is moved forward by moving its adherents into positions of power. BTW, he has also stacked his administration with pro-aborts.

2) I would hope that high moral character would be a requirement for official positions. While I'm not for a "witch hunt", it's not witch hunting to say that a homosexual activist is not a person of high moral character.

Will you defend this if Kerry is elected and does it?

 

I'm just curious because I honestly don't know the answer to this.....what positions did he give to homosexuals? And yes I agree with you, a homosexual activist is not a person of high moral character.

 

"...1. Candidate George W. Bush appointed four openly homosexual, gay-rights advocates to his presidential campaign steering committee. According to the homosexual group, Log Cabin Republicans, "scores" of Bush state steering committee members and campaign volunteers were homosexuals.

2. Perhaps this explains why hundreds of homosexuals gathered in Washington, D.C., last weekend to "celebrate the achievements and leadership of George W. Bush." It also helps to explain why Rich Tafel, executive director of Log Cabin Republicans, said, "We want the country to know that we are behind our president and administration."

3. On Dec. 21, 2001, President Bush signed a historic bill, which "for the first time allows the District of Columbia government to fund a program that will give domestic partners of city employees access to health benefits." Remember, Bush insisted that openly homosexual Congressman Jim Kolbe of Arizona be given a prominent speaking role at the Republican National Convention. It was Kolbe who introduced the amendment lifting the ban on gay partner benefits in D.C.

4. Bush named Scot Evertz, a prominent homosexual activist, to head the White House AIDS office even though he had absolutely no experience dealing with public health issues.

5. Bush appointed another homosexual activist, Donald Cappoccia, to the U.S. Commission on Fine Arts.

6. Bush appointed openly homosexual, Michael Guest, as Ambassador to Romania. Since then, Bush has decided to leave in place a Clinton policy that calls for supporting the "unmarried partners" of U.S. Foreign Service workers. This allows Guest's live-in lover to live in the U.S. Embassy in Bucharest and allows him to join Guest at official embassy functions.

7. Bush presided over the appointment of homosexual activist, Stephen Herbits, to oversee the choice of civilian personnel at the Pentagon.

8. Bush has not reversed a single pro-homosexual policy instituted by former president Bill Clinton. Not even one!

9. The Bush administration posted a job for what is called a "gay and lesbian program specialist" at the Department of Agriculture.

10. Bush appointed the ardently pro-homosexual Governor of Massachussetts, Paul Cellucci, as U.S. Ambassador to Canada.

11. Bush appointed Lewis Eisenberg to become the new GOP chief fundraiser. Eisenberg has a long history of supporting pro-homosexual and pro-abortion candidates.

12. Just yesterday, The Washington Times reported, "The Bush administration has joined European delegates to an upcoming U.N. summit on children in moving to recognize families 'in various forms,' including unmarried cohabiting couples and homosexual partners."

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