Liberals and Abortion

Just a wild guess here...maybe it has something to do with you screen name THEOLDMAN

 

You are making birth control and abortion one in the same, when they are not.

 

why not ? Today I'm not concerned with "when does life begin"....but rather "when do we get our souls".

 

Preventing an egg from fertilization (birth control) is not termination of a pregnancy (abortion). They are not the same.

To answer your question, we have to go all the way back to Genesis 2.

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Man became a living soul upon being created, therefore upon conception, we also become living souls. Notice God formed man from the dust of the ground (physical act, which is similar to the coming together of the sperm and egg), breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (the Hebrew for breath is spirit, meaning He gave man a spirit either at the same time or after the physical) to create a living soul (the combination of the material with the immaterial).

 

Thank you Sir. Anybody else ?

 

I think these happen at the same time. Life begins at conception and I believe there is a soul there.

We should assume this because God's word seems to support this view. Even if we are unsure, we should go with the most cautious view because we are dealing with human life created in the image of God.

 

Thank you Ma'm. Anybody else ?

 

Ok, there have been some pretty good answers. I'm in Webdog's boat and Marcia's. What is THEOLDMAN's answer?

 

The Genesis verse isd ealing with the creation of man. Obviously he was inbreathed with a livng soul......as a grown man and woman,

We are now talking about a new born,,a fetus....It is a living soul? Chapter and verse, please. I personally have not found the chapter and verse to support this......for or against. Theologians have debated this for ages. For some churches this is why they insist on "baptism" as soon after birth as possible. There are a host of other theological problems as well.

By the way, I believe it was Onan who was condemned whem he went in unto his brother's wife and spilled his seed.........abortion, I believe.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I don't see how voting for candidates and a party that promises to stop abortion but in 20 years of leadership has done virtually nothing (changed abortion law to stop 0.2% of all abortions) is something you should feel so morally superior about. Especially since that party has led us to invade Iraq for no just reason and murder tens and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians in the name of "freeing" them.

 

Wow. Two false accusation in one post!

 

Facts, facts, facts, please.

 

That's not what he said. Read the OP again.

 

And yet they nominated John McCain for President...

I'd like to see which Democrats are leading women to abortion clinics and which Democrats want more abortions this year from last.

That's way too strong language for this board. I'd ask a Moderator to clean it up please. Wow, never thought I'd see that.

Anyhoo, your langauge is really incendiary. Do we really believe it just liberals and godless Democrats who get abortions? One of the reasons I walked away from a position with te RNC years ago was after several back to back functions where there was widespread drunkenness, debauchry, and hypocrisy. By using this kind of language we forget that we are all sinners searching for the grace of God.

Yeah but you're also being disengenious. You claim it is "moral and religious" but attack only one political group. Where are the Republicans on this issue? Seriously, if that is a major plank in their platform than what has happened in the past 25 years?

I know Bush the elder did absolutely nothing about abortion since his wife was opposed to any measures that would reduce a woman's right to choose. When the Republicans had control of Congress what did they do about it?

Maybe you're being myopic in your initial assessment.

 

It isn't a swear word, even though it sounds like it should be. It is no more a swear word than "Hoover Dam". From HERE:

So this is much like when former Secretary of the Interior, James Watt, got heat over use of the word "niggardly", which is not at all related to race or a racial slur. It just sounds like it does.

 

Did I vote for the "other" party?? I certainly didn't vote for a party or candidate that condoned abortion. Using another's failure to stop abortion as an excuse to continue to support those who support abortion can not wash the blood of innocent children who were murdered in their mothers womb, off the hands of those who support abortion by their vote. Then they try to console themselves by telling the twisted liberal spin on the war on terror. IMNSHO the fact that some so-called christians vote for those who support abortion is like trying to spit in God's face. These are the type of miserable people that Paul spoke of in 1COR 5:5.