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Liberty U. and the False Prophet

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  1. 1689Dave

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    I know what scripture says. Anything prophetic beyond that is false. Also misapplying prophetic scripture is false.
     
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    Context says that 1 Cor. 1 is talking about the Appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ--not the final book of the Bible. That would be called Eisegesis as you are importing your thoughts into the text.
     
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    Paul and John both use apocalypse for Revelation = the same thing.
     
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    Yeah, I thought so. You didn't answer me. You don't know what I mean.

    Question: In Acts 2:17, Peter pointed out that the events of that day were a fulfillment of Joel 2, where it says "your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." In context, what did Peter mean by that? Were the believers foretelling the future, or what?
     
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    It was then fulfilled and later abolished with the completed canon.
     
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    Pay attention. That's not what I asked. Here it is again.

    Question: In Acts 2:17, Peter pointed out that the events of that day were a fulfillment of Joel 2, where it says "your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." In context, what did Peter mean by that? Were the believers foretelling the future, or what?
     
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    It doesn't say.
     
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    Acts 21:8-9
    On the next day we departed and came to Caesarea, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied.
     
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    Look at the context. What the "sons and daughters" were prophesying is quite clear. What was it?
     
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    It doesn't say. But all prophecy ended with the completion of the Canon.
     
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    Yep, four soul-winning daughters. My evangelist grandfather had six soul-winning daughters and no sons, kind of like Philip, and our church evangelist here has three soul-winning daughters and no sons. Seems to be a common thing among evangelists. My Granddad thought God gave him only daughters because he was on the road so much and sons are harder to raise. :)
     
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    Wait, you can read Scripture, can't you? It certainly does say what they were prophesying. Read the chapter.
     
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    You put 2 and two together and got 7.
     
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    No, 1+1 = are the same word used by Paul and John.
     
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    Same word can mean different things. πνευμα can = Spirit, spirit, wind, breath.
     
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    It's their cinema department. It's obviously not a very good department. But it has a fireman and a "cool" fire scene . . . Unlike some, I have no problems with Trump. But this guy didn't come out of the woodwork until Trump was winning.

    How to succeed at "prophesy" - write down a thousand things that will happen in the future. If just one of them comes true, claim to be a prophet. Oh yeah - have a "cool" "Christian" job like fireman.

    I rarely agree with declarations of false prophesy on this forum, but I will have to agree with this one.
     
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    From the day Trump declared he was running, I told everyone he was going to win. That did not make me a prophet.
     
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    Yeah, near as I can tell, this guy did not reveal that he had a prophecy of Trump winning until after the fact.

    I did some research in this guy's "prophecies," which are easily available on the Internet. Out of 23 "prophecies" he only mentions Christ in 3 of them, and all of those mentions are simply "in Jesus' name" in prayers he made up. If a Charismatic movement "prophet" ignores Jesus, he's getting his prophecies from somewhere other than the Holy Spirit.
     
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    Hello, hello? Are you there?

    Well, since you can't (or don't want to) answer a simple question (not a trap, not a trick) about Bible content, I'll answer it for you. What the "sons and daughters" of Joel 2 & Acts 2 were prophesying was "the wonderful works of God" (v. 11).

    It seems pretty obvious that these were past works. In other words, they were not foretelling the future, they were forth-telling what God had done and what its significance was. The result was that thousands of people got saved, so the specific "wonderful works of God" that they forth-told was, of course, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Their prophesying was what we call soul-winning or evangelism.

    "Note the meaning of the term 'prophesy.' It means to speak in the power of the Holy Spirit. Sometimes it may be foretelling the future. Sometimes it may be rebuking sin or telling people how to be saved, but always it will be speaking in the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit" (John R. Rice, Filled With the Spirit, p. 81).
     
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