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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Reynolds, Nov 6, 2023.

  1. Alan Gross

    Alan Gross Well-Known Member

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    There may just be overwhelming ancient and venerable substantiation for your thoughts along those lines, taisto, bless your every loving heart!

    In the post above: LSB, we can clearly see the leanings of the LSB, as it is skipping arm and arm down the Primrose Pathway, as we compared the LSB to the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

    The two are generally indistinguishable.

    For that reason, the LSB and NWT and the other Modern Versions are all together what are called "Sister Versions".

    That is simply a statement of Historical Fact. You can't get around it.

    Dozens more comparisons between the LSB, NWT, & NAB, and to the KJV, at:
    The Legacy Standard Bible Expose.
     
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    Well now, I've done something that I've never done on the BaptistBoard before.

    I've used the "ignore" feature.

    Rob
     
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    All English translations are related, going back well before the KJV and after it. You could draw a straight line.
     
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    I must admit it was odd to see Yahweh in an email today from the LSB's publisher. I suppose it's good that they're fully committed.
     
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    Thanks for the link, Deacon.

    I was able to find a good example from my morning's reading in 2 Timothy. I noticed the use of "unhypocritical" in 2 Tim. 1:5 (LSB): "being reminded of the unhypocritical faith within you..." This marked a shift away from "For I am mindful of the sincere faith within you" (2 Tim 1:15, NASB1995). The translation notes explain the choice to use "unhypocritical" (IMO, a good decision).

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    316 Day Sale 2023

    FYI--If anyone is interested, the LSB's publisher is currently running a sale. I wish I had room in my budget to get a goatskin edition, but, alas, I do not!
     
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    John 3:16 LSB
    16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
    The verse has two footnotes:
    For God [in this way] loved the world
    He gave His [unique, only one of His kind] Son,

    As footnoted, the LSB provides a sound translation. But the footnotes should be in the main text and the outdated and erroneous translation choices should be deleted.

    The whoever believes in Him should read everyone believing into Him. so God's action of transferring the individual into Christ is not hidden.



     
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    From the preface to the LSB

    Principles of Translation
    Key Principles:
    The Legacy Standard Bible has worked to uphold the style and translational choices of the NASB as much as possible. Even more, it has endeavored to follow through on the NASB’s stated intent to be true to the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. …​

    In this edition, a word might not be translated consistently in order to maintain a highly familiar rendering of a text or to preserve a word play in the text that advances the inspired author’s message. ​
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    I assume everyone knows critical thinkers would reject this absurdity as simply pandering to provincialism.

    Our "tradition" should be to accurately translate rather than perpetuate the errors of the past.
     
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    I for one, do not see what @Deacon explained to be of an absurdity. You might explain further what you mean, - or not.
     
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    Well, thank you, for thanking me!

    Then, you say, "Nooo, thank..you."

    Then. I say, "...not that tall".

    Be that as it may, Praise Jesus Christ! From both of us is what we have here.

    Praise the Lord.

    It is O.K., that God has chosen to Preserve His Word, for us to have it in any number of languages, New and old.

    But, it is also O.K., to be aware that the Preservation of God's Word has been abandoned wholesale, in certain quarters.

    At: What God Preserving His Word in the Lineage of the King James Bible Looks Like. I called it,
    "the abject failure and inexcusable Discontinuation of Preservation, prevalent and prolific throughout the entirety, of all Modern Bible versions."


    That might be financially profitable and aid in closing the gap between Apostate Christianity and the Occult, but their is no need to be any part of it.
     
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    Yet why not fix the few flaws in the KJV? Why not improve it if one can?
    People have improved Bible Versions all through out history. True I'm sure some have introduced more errors, but if you could really improve it genuinely?
     
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    Not, as you simply claimed "taint so" without taking a position. Fiddlesticks
    Is "Our "tradition" should be to accurately translate rather than perpetuate the errors of the past," so hard to understand? Perpetuating the errors of the past is an absurdity!
     
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    2Thessalonians 2:13

    LSB - But we should always give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you [fn]as the first fruits for salvation through sanctification [fn]by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

    NASB - But we should always give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you [fn]from the beginning for salvation [fn]through sanctification [fn]by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

    When we compare the two versions, we find problems with both!

    1) "from the beginning" should be in the main text and first fruits given as a variant footnote. "As the first fruits" perpetuates a probable scribal emendation.

    2) The NASB currently footnotes "through" ( Lit. in) adding ambiguity rather than clarity. The preposition is being used to show instrumentality.

    3) "By the Spirit" is footnoted in both version with "Lit. of" thus both footnotes simply add ambiguity. Here the noun "Spirit" is taking the action, thus we were set apart in Christ by the action of the Holy Spirit based on God crediting our faith as righteousness.
     
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