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Featured Mark of the Beast (on the hand)

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  1. Hobie

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    First lets look at what is God’s mark, or symbol, of authority:

    Ezekiel 20:12 King James Version (KJV)
    12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

    Here we see God is saying that He gave us His Sabbath as a sign of His power to create and His power to sanctify (convert and save) us. In the Bible, the Sabbath, represents Gods holy power to rule as Creator and Savior and has never been changed. Now lets look first at the mark on the forehead:

    Revelation 7:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
    1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
    2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
    3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    Revelation 7:1–3 says it will be written upon the foreheads (or minds) of His people. It will signify that they are owned by Him and have His character. We find Hebrews 10:16 and may others that it will be written in their minds or the forehead:

    Hebrews 10:16 King James Version (KJV)
    16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

    Since the symbol, mark, of God’s authority and power is His holy Sabbath day, it seems likely that the symbol, or mark, of God’s enemy the beast might also involve a day and its mark of authority. Let’s see if it does:

    Revelation 14:8-10 King James Version (KJV)
    8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
    9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

    So what does the Roman Catholic Church say is her symbol, or mark, of authority? Notice from Catholic catechism:

    “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

    Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her—she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”8

    The papacy is here saying that it “changed” Sabbath to Sunday and that virtually all churches accepted the new holy day. Thus, the papacy claims that Sunday as a holy day is the mark, or symbol, of her power and authority. And they do not shy away from this...

    "Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope." Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950. This Rock

    Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
    Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

    Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
    Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

    Q. Should not the Protestant doubt when he finds that he himself holds tradition as a guide?
    A. Yes, if he would but reflect that he has nothing but Catholic Tradition for keeping the Sunday holy; ... Controversial Catechism by Stephen Keenan, New Edition, revised by Rev. George Cormack, published in London by Burns & Oates, Limited - New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benzinger Brothers, 1896, pages 6, 7.

    "The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition © 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.
     
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    So we can see the mark of authority of the Papacy in the religious belief aspect on the forehead or (minds), but lets look at the mark of the beast on the hand or the secular aspect. We find the Pope is planning the implementation the secular aspect of the mark for even atheist is being laid out right before our very eyes.. A day of rest for 'Mother Earth' due to the nonreligious reasons, for 'climate change' and now more urgent to the conflicts and pandemics swirling among us.

    If you go through the May 2020 Popes encyclical letter, 'Laudato Si', you find is suggested to be enforced by the nations.

    Pope Francis updated May 2020 plan is to rally Nations behind Climate Change and Sunday law.

    The encyclical is called Laudato Si, and is the Pope's encyclical on climate change, which looks on the surface as just reducing carbon emissions, carpooling, planting trees and recycling, etc....But in the encyclical, the Pope suggest also a worldwide day of rest, Sundays with keeping a better environment.

    The implication here is that we need to have a law mandating rest on Sunday, so it appears that his agenda on climate change includes giving Sunday rest and worship mandated by law to improve the environment.. The Pope is asking the world to join this rest, take a look..

    In his May 2020 encyclical updated letter 'Laudato S?i'.
    "...As part of this year's anniversary activities, a 'Laudato Si' Action Platform will also be launched, with various institutions committing to a 7-year project aimed at reaching total sustainability in the spirit of Laudato S'i.
    Among the goals of the platform, according to the Vatican's department for Integral Human Development, are adopting simpler lifestyles and developing ?ecological economics? based on sustainable production, fair trade, using less plastic and adopting a more plant-based diet to reduce meat consumption, as well as a broader use of public transport in order to reduce pollution.
    According to their communique, the Vatican's development office intends to launch the platform in early 2021 by inviting several institutions to begin the 7-year project. The following year, they will encourage a new group to join, with the hope of doubling the number of entities committing to the 7-year plan.
    In this way we are planning to grow a Laudato Si ' inspired network that continues to expand and grow exponentially each year,' they said, noting that this initiative will continue for each consecutive year of the new decade, with the goal of arriving at the 'critical mass' needed in order to lead a 'radical societal transformation' inspired by Pope Francis in Laudato Si......"https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2020/05/vatican-launches-year-long-cele...

    The encyclical letter Laudato Si is available here on the Vatican website. And so we come to the notion of rest, or more accurately, Sabbath:
    237. On Sunday, our participation in the Eucharist has special importance. Sunday, like the Jewish Sabbath, is meant to be a day which heals our relationships with God, with ourselves, with others and with the world. Sunday is the day of the Resurrection, the 'first day' of the new creation, whose first fruits are the Lord's risen humanity, the pledge of the final transfiguration of all created reality. It also proclaims '(humankind's) eternal rest in God'.[CCC 2175] In this way, Christian spirituality incorporates the value of relaxation and festivity. http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/pap...
     
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    This is being pushed by many strange alliance of forces, and now the Pope is bringing it to a head...

    "The 10:10 movement supported by the Guardian is a wonderful way to empower ordinary people to participate in the great movement of mitigating global warming. We cannot wait until governments are enlightened enough to legislate and cap the carbon emissions. Matters are urgent. We have to act now, without any delay. The power of public opinion and citizen action will have a strong impact on the climate conference taking place in Copenhagen.

    One thing we can easily do to achieve this goal: we can declare Sunday to be a fossil fuel-free day or a low-carbon day or at least an energy-saving day. We can start this week, this month or in 2010. We can start individually and collectively. The long journey to cut carbon dioxide emissions can start in the here and now."

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/cif-green/2009/sep/17/low-c...

    "Pitch

    Once A Week, Give Our Beautiful Planet A Day Of Rest. A Green Sabbath Day.

    Description
    Summary
    Green Sabbath is a non-religious, non-political, and non-profit campaign which aims to raise awareness and to encourage people to help slow climate change, preserve precious natural resources and improve planet health by observing at least one carbon footprint-free day each week--on any day of the week. We call it symbolically A Green Sabbath day.

    " https://www.climatecolab.org/contests/2015/harnessing-the-power-of-...

    They are even having children write the articles...

    "In the current hazardous state that we are in, more proactive measures have to be taken. It is not impossible to lower the global temperature or slow its increase. Stopping everything for one day could save our jobs, our planet and our future.".. http://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-fresh-talk-doolittle-gre...
     
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    We see the beast causes the mark to be in the hand (secular) as well as the forehead (or mind) which is the belief is held or religious belief:

    Revelation 13:16 King James Version (KJV)
    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    The forehead represents the mind and a person will be marked in the forehead by a decision to keep Sunday as a holy day. The hand is a symbol of work and a person will be marked in the hand by going along with Sunday laws for practical reasons (job, family, climate change, pandemic, etc.). The sign, or mark, for either God or the beast will be invisible to people as it is the mark of authority from one or the other. You will, in essence, mark yourself by accepting either God’s mark, the day He made for man from Creation, the Sabbath, or the beast’s mark which is the Papacy, its mark of authority, Sunday/Sunday Sacredness. Though invisible to men, God will know who has which mark, and who they follow:

    2 Timothy 2:19 King James Version (KJV)
    19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV)
    And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Now no one will have the mark of the beast until Sunday worship/secular day of rest becomes an issue forced by law, and it will come just as all Bible prophecy. At that time, those who decide to follow the false teachings of the beast and worship on the beast’s counterfeit holy day will receive his mark. Those who follow Christ and obey His truth will keep His Sabbath day holy and receive His mark.
     
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    Now lets look at the Mark of the Beast on the forehead or religious aspect. I posted this in one of the other forums and thought it would be good to post here...Lets see what the Bible tells us of the Mark of the Beast in Revelation 14:

    Revelation 14:9-11 King James Version (KJV)
    9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    In Revelation 14: 9-11, the Bible describes the terrible fate of those who receive the Mark of the Beast. In stark contrast, Revelation 14: 12 describes those who stand victorious with Jesus on Mount Zion:
    Revelation 14: 12 King James Version (KJV)
    12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Now lets look in Reveleation 7 to see what it shows of what happens with those who are sealed:
    Revelation 7:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
    1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
    2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
    3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    In Revelation 7: 1-3 an angel ascends from the east with the seal of the living God. This angel comes down from heaven and puts a seal on people's foreheads. Two classes are represented as we see. Those who receive the mark of the beast and eventually receive the plagues. Those who keep the commandments of God, who are sealed by the angel, and do not receive the plagues. We read in Isaiah the following:
    Isaiah 8: 16 King James Version (KJV)
    16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

    Therefore, the seal of God is contained in His law. The Bible teaches that the final issue will be over the seal of God as opposed to the mark of the beast.

    The Mark of the Beast is his seal of authority, and that would be "a rule or order that it is obligatory to observe" which he has passed. This would include the Sabbath along with all the other changes he has made that he claims he has the authority to do so, as we see in Daniel 7:

    Daniel 7:25 King James Version (KJV)
    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:

    So it is a change of Gods seal of authority, which are his laws which have been with us since creation and were written out on the tablets of stone, by the Beast with false laws or rules of divine observance that are his seal of authority.
     
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    We are charged to follow Gods truth not traditions or doctrines of men, and his commandments stand as Jesus said:

    John 15:10 King James Version (KJV)
    If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

    We have to be careful that we not be turned by any man or his ideas from Gods truth:
    Colossians 2:4-8 King James Version (KJV)
    4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
    5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
    6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
    7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
    8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

    Colossians 2:18-22 King James Version (KJV)
    18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
    19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
    20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
    21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
    22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

    The Sabbath is the "sign" of God's people, however a individual can be a Sabbath keeping Christian and still have the Mark of the Beast. How so, well by following it in its false practices of worship, which is really worship of the Beast. Lets look at the text closely...

    Revelation 14:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
    9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
    12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Worshiping on Sunday or holding it sacred is a direct way of worshiping the Beast, but there are other ways which we must be careful to avoid, which opens the door to following the Beast power.
     
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    Lets look closer at one verse here, Rev.14:12 'Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.'

    We see the mark of the beast has to do with God's law, keeping His commandments. While the Sabbath is central in it, as a "sign" of his people who keep his law, the text in verse 10 says 'If any man worship the beast and his image' it leads to the mark of the beast.

    This means an individual can be worshiping the beast in what it lays out as its 'holy days' and practices which can only be seen as worship to false pagan gods and idols. So we have to keep ourselves clear of anything that worships the Beast and its image.

    Scripture shows us what the law is and how we need to follow it.

    Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

    Truly in our hearts it should go and be understood, not just a surface understanding. Even the Catholic church admits it 'superimposed' holy days on pagan feasts, but justify it by claiming the the pagan connections to them ceased and the holy day(s) somehow became 'thoroughly Christian'. But how do you make pagan worship 'thoroughly Christian'?
     
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    God outlines what the marks and seals are. Mankind cannot. Satan cannot.

    It is not about Sunday. The Romans did away with the Sabbath, maybe? The Romans worked 6 days, then they had 2 days off. Compared to now, we work 5 days with 2 days off. The church actually shortened the work week by one day. They reinstated a Saturday. The Romans prior to Christ had two Sunday's back to back with 6 work days in between. The Sabbath had already been destroyed, perhaps by the Greeks, who knows?

    The mark of this man in Revelation 13 deals with labor and the 6 day work week. The antithesis of Remembering the Sabbath is not Sunday. The antithesis is, "Thou shalt labor 6 days a week." Humans were condemned and forced to work 6 days. But not just 6 literal 24 hour days. Adam and his descendants were given 6 Lord's Days, 6000 years to labor. No more. Working past 6000 years is not required. In fact with the advent of the church, God allowed one work day to be removed. We only have to work 5 days a week. In the last few decades the powers that be have now forced on us a return to 6 and even 7+ work days. The mark is a curse that God places on mankind, because their work is over, and humanity keeps working past the cut off point. No human can buy, sell, or even trade, unless there is work involved.

    Economy is the division of labor. Currency is just the amount of labor exchange. Even if the world removes currency, because computers can now track labor, does not remove work as still being central to economy. Those with the mark 666 have clearly given into Satan's economy, and have ultimately rejected God.
     
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    Yes, and God has outlined the seventh day Sabbath as His mark, and that has never changed. Go further and take a look at the seal in Isaiah 8:16 "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples."

    A seal was something that held fast and in this context was binded up.

    Deuteronomy 6:2,8 That you might fear the LORD your God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command you....And you shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.

    and we see it will be a sign...

    Exodus 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth.

    Exodus 31:13,17 Truly My Sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the Lord that does sanctify you....It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for ever.

    and it is forever. But look at what do you do on the Sabbath, can we say 'worship' God if we pick another day and leave His Sabbath behind.

    The Mark of the Beast is about keeping of God's law especially worship, same as it always has been, and the Sabbath is at the center.
     
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    Hobie posts - “Since the symbol, mark, of God’s authority and power is His holy Sabbath day, it seems likely that the symbol, or mark, of God’s enemy the beast might also involve a day and its mark of authority”

    You have not proven your central point of the Sabbath being the mark of God’s authority.

    There is an obvious parallel being made in the book of Revelation between the bond-servants/slaves of God (Rev. 7.3; 9.4) and those of the beast.

    "And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads" Rev. 7.2,3 NASU​

    John draws the reference of the seal from a passage in Ezekiel.

    "The Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, even through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations which are being committed in its midst.”" Ezekiel 9.4 NASU​

    Jews took the reference to the seal literally, wrapping the straps of the tefillin on their arms and binding it to their forehead (as instructed in Deut. 6.8).

    Now you present a valid point, if the mark of the seal of God in Revelation 7 is a symbolic marking rather than a literal marking, wouldn’t it be paralleled by a symbolic marking by the beast?

    Rob
     
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    The Sabbath was to be set apart as the day holy to God, and free from the punishment of work. The beast is symbolic of Adam. The mark is a literal brand all humanity bears. It is not visible currently. When the punishment is declared over and no longer in effect, that is when the mark will be visible on all who demand work to continue. Of course they will not remember any Sabbath during those 3.5 years. The Abomination of Desolation removes any remembrance of the day set apart to God free from the punishment of work. That is the mundane part of this image. The second part is the fact this image is declared the Messiah, the savior of mankind.
     
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    Oy, work was never a punishment.
    The LORD designed man for the work of subduing the earth before the fall.
    Christians are given the work of spreading the gospel.

    God resting from the work of creation, ruled over his work on the Sabbath.

    Rob
     
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    Genesis 3:17-19
    "the ground is cursed on your account; you will work hard to eat from it as long as you live.
    18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat field plants.
    19 You will eat bread by the sweat of your forehead till you return to the ground — for you were taken out of it: you are dust, and you will return to dust.”

    Yes, before Adam disobeyed, it was not laziness. Genesis 2:15
    "Adonai, God, took the person and put him in the garden of ‘Eden to cultivate and care for it."

    Matthew 11:28-30
    “Come to me, all of you who are struggling and burdened, and I will give you rest.
    29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
    30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

    Work was a punishment and a commandment. "Six days shalt thou labor." Exodus 20:9

    In the Garden, every day was the Lord's Day.

    The point about the Great Tribulation is it happens after the 6000 years of punishment is over. The next 1000 years enters into the Lord's Day of rest. The Great Tribulation is a time of abomination to God.
     
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    The choice over whose mark we accept, is the day which God made for man as the Sabbath or the substitute brought in by misguided men. You must understand the importance of the Sabbath, it was made by the Creator for man, and the maker of heaven and earth will not change it or substitute it. But did God know that this attempt to change His holy Sabbath would occur:

    "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. " Daniel 7:25

    "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:28-30

    God predicted long ago that, from within the church itself, there would arise men who would attempt to change His holy law. So the prophecy was true, and it has come to fruition as the Sabbath and those who kept it were swept away, and a substitute put in. And the church which brought it in boast it as its mark of authority.

    "All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible." The Catholic Virginian, "To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

    "... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

    'Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'' Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

    "But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair." The Faith of Millions

    "Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

    'If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.' Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

    'It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.'Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ on March 18, 1903. This Rock

    'Of course these .. quotations are exactly correct. The Catholic Church designated Sunday as the day for corporate worship and gets full credit or blame ' This Rock,The Magazine of Catholic Apologetics and Evangelization, p.8, June 1997

    'The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church.' Monsignor Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today';, p. 213.
     
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    Read your Bible, not what others say or pretend to know, it shows that the mark will be over worship, and we see it in this clear split between God and the adversary.

    Revelation 13:4
    And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    Revelation 13:8
    And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Revelation 13:12
    And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

    Revelation 13:15
    And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

    Revelation 14:9
    And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

    Revelation 14:11
    And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    Revelation 16:2
    And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

    Revelation 14:7
    Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    Exodus 20:11

    For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Exodus 31:17

    It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
     
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    I have read my Bible and I’m familiar with SDA scripture twisting and propaganda. Brother Anderson who runs the nonsda website was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years and was taught that the SDA Church was the "remnant church" and was the one church entrusted with the "truth" for the last days, so he doesn’t just pretend to know. He had first hand knowledge of what they teach.

    When he began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books, he made the shocking discovery that so called SDA truth is different from Biblical truth. Maybe it’s time for you to start reading the Bible for what it actually says and not just what the SDA church tells you it says.
     
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    Its the news which is telling you, not any church or denomination, the stones are speaking and you are seeing it being unveiled right before your very eyes. We have reached the time when all will see that God and His prophecy is true, and many will tremble as it happens with unmistakable clarity.

    Romans 3:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
    3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
    4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
     
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    The mark is not something that will wash off or a chip or barcode, it is the act showing who you follow, and your allegiance to that power, whether the Beast entity or God. Now how can you know who is the Beast/Antichrist power, well just look what this apostate church says and how it is above God and His Laws:

    "No man has a right to choose his religion." (New York Freeman, official journal of Bishop Hughes, Jan 26, 1852)

    "Protestantism has not, and never can have, any right where Catholicity has triumphed." (Catholic Review, June 1875)

    "It is error to believe that Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true." (Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section III, Indifferentism, Latitudinarianism, #15)

    "It is error to believe that hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship." (Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section X, Errors Having Reference to Modern Liberalism, #78)

    "Not the Creator of Universe, in Genesis 2:1-3,-but the Catholic Church can claim the honor of having granted man a pause to his work every seven days." (S. C. Mosna, Storia della Domenica, 1969, pp. 366-367)

    "The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws... The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth." (Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, Papa, art. 2, translated)

    "The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ. The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." (Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary)

    "Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; --she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." (Rev. Stephan Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism, On the Obedience Due to the Church, chap. 2, p. 174. (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, archbishop of New York)

    "The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the Church had changed...the Sabbath into Sunday, not by command of Christ, but by its own authority." (Canon and Tradition, p. 263)

    "Is not yet too late for Protestants to redeem themselves. Will they do it?... will they indeed take the written word only, the Scripture alone, as their sole authority and their sole standard? Or will they still hold the indefensible, self contradictory, and suicidal doctrine and practice of following the authority of the Catholic church and wear the SIGN of her authority? Will they keep the Sabbath of the Lord, the seventh day, according to Scripture? Or will they keep the Sunday according to the tradition of the Catholic church." (Ibid, page 31)
     
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    Gods Word shows us, but we must have open eyes and ears. This antichrist power will establish a enforcement for its day of rest whether secular/religious in an attempt to control the beliefs of people, basically mirroring medieval Christianity under the Dark Ages of papal control.

    People of all social classes will be pressured to receive the mark of the beast on their hands or their foreheads. Just as the seal in the forehead identifies those whom God regards as His, so the mark of the beast identifies the worshipers of the beast.

    Revelation 7:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
    3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
    4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
    Revelation 14:1 King James Version (KJV)
    1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

    The mark of the beast is not a visible sign of any kind. Its placement on the hand or on the forehead counterfeits the instruction Moses gave the Israelites to bind God’s law as a sign upon their hands or their foreheads.

    Deuteronomy 6:8 King James Version (KJV)
    8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

    The hand has to do with behavior, while the forehead has to do with the mind or mental agreement. Some will choose to receive the mark of the beast to follow along or be part of the crowd, while others will be fully committed mentally and spiritually to this apostate system of worship.

    The central issues in the final crisis will be worship and obedience to God in keeping His commandments. The Sabbath commandment in particular, will be the test of faithfulness and obedience to God. As the Sabbath is the distinctive sign of the obedience of God’s faithful people so the mark of the beast is the sign of allegiance to the beast.

    Revelation 14:12 King James Version (KJV)
    12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Ezekiel 20:20 King James Version (KJV)
    20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God.


    The mark of the beast involves the substitution of a human commandment for God’s commandment, a change by the antichrist entity of Gods Law.

    Daniel 7:25 King James Version (KJV)
    25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    If you truly look you will find the evidence of this fact is what was changed from a established from Creation a day of work, the first day of Sunday as the day of worship instead of the seventh-day Sabbath, the day set by our Creator. The attempt to change the sign of God’s authority to another day is an attempt to usurp the role and power of God Himself. The mark of the beast is the day put forth as a substitute by the apostate church, the papacy, who things to change times and laws of God. We have the following:

    Revelation 13:18 King James Version (KJV)
    18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    Paul describes him as “the man of sin” .If one looks, its clear this points to the papal power symbolized by the beast, whose blasphemous actions can be seen in the claims for itself, with the Pope supposedly standing in the place of the Son of God on earth.

    "The Pope is not simply the representative of Jesus Christ. On the contrary, he is Jesus Christ Himself, under the veil of the flesh." (Evangelical Christendom, January 1, 1895, pg. 15, published in London by J. S. Phillips)

    "Against this background of love towards Holy Church, 'the pillar and bulwark of the truth' (1 Tim 3:15), we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for 'THE LORD POPE', the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called 'SWEET CHRIST ON EARTH'." (Pope John Paul II, Apostolic Exhortation on the Consecrated Life and Its Mission in the Church and in the World, to the bishops and clergy, religious orders and congregations, societies of apostolic life, secular institutes, and all the faithful, given in Rome, at Saint Peter's, March 25, 1996)

    "The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God and the vicar of God." (Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary)

    "All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope." (On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17)

    "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous)

    "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical." (the Gloss "Extravagantes" o.f Pope John XXII Cum inter, Tit. XIV, Cap. IV. Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685)

    "Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions." (Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', p.26)

    "The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth." (Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958)

    "This is our last lesson to you: receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church; the strong and effective instrument of salvation is none other than the Roman Pontificate." (Pope Leo XIII, Allocution for the 25th anniversary of his election, February 20, 1903; Papal Teachings: The Church, Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, St. Paul Editions, Boston, 1962, par. 653)
     
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