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Mary the perpetual virgin?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by John Toppass, Nov 1, 2010.

  1. annsni

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    Brat. :tonofbricks:

    (I hadn't seen your response before I posted this)
     
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    Check out Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals
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    Yes, that's what I said, but if he does not reject the pledge before the marriage he and she are bound by it. Of course if Joseph was old it probably didn't matter to him.
     
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    Yet none of this is based on Scripture. Scripture tells us that Joseph didn't have relations with Mary until she gave birth. That's pretty clear IMO.
     
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    No, it if contradicts Scripture you reject it. Scripture would be right, ipso facto. But Scripture never says Mary had other children; neither does it say that she did not remain a virgin. I gave what I thought were some pretty goods reasons to conclude Mary was always a virgin early in this thread but looking at subsequent posts, it looks like no one read them except Logos1560. The fact of the matter is that you can't prove this point either way by Scripture alone any more than you can prove who wrote the book of Mark.
     
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    There is not a single shred of biblical evidence that Mary remained a virgin. In fact for anyone who seeks truth and is honest scripture is clear that she was a wife just like any other wife after the Lord was born. Like I said one has to be willfully ignorant to even consider that Mary remained a virgin. That passage in Numbers has nothing to do with chastity in marriage. And as far as Joseph being old there is absolutely no biblical evidence of his age at all.:BangHead:
     
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    Let's look at Matthew 1:25 in some different translations:

    And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son (KJV)

    but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a Son (NASB)

    but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. (ESV)

    and did not know her till she brought forth her son (Young's Literal)

    But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. (NIV2010)

    All of these say "till" or "until" - meaning that after that point, he did "know" her.
     
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    OLD and it did not matter. Where have you been? Have you not read about Abraham?
     
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    Scripture does refer to Jesus' brothers meaning by default she had other children. Remember James?
     
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    Yes but I'm far enough along to know that age does make a difference in your outlook and expectations. ;)
     
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    Probably the son of Joseph by a previous marriage. Or possibly the same James mentioned in Matthew 27:56; Mark 16:11 & Luke 24:10.
     
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    Ooops, the Geneva Bible notes at the verse:

     
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    Only when you are hitched to someone with the same lack of expectation due to the same conditions. :applause:
     
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    There is no probably about it. One has to absolutely stand against the word of God to hold any idea that Mary was always a virgin.
     
  18. annsni

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    The condition ceases at the point in time that the "till" points to.
     
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    Jamieson, Fausset, Brown:
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    Pure eisegesis. Since Joseph was not Jesus' biological father, if he were James' father he would not be Jesus' brother.

    If the common sense makes all the sense seek no other sense. Scripture states Jesus had brothers and it means just that.
     
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