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Matt Walsh: Courts in Europe have sentenced a baby to death. This is socialized medicine.

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  1. Revmitchell

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    There’s a horrific case over in the U.K. that hasn’t gotten a ton of attention here, but it should. If we look closely, we may see our future — and our present.

    Charlie Gard is a 10-month-old baby who suffers from a rare genetic disorder called mitochondrial DNA depletion syndrome. It’s a horrendous condition that leads to organ malfunction, brain damage, and other symptoms. The hospital that had been treating the boy, Great Ormond Street Hospital for Children in London, made the determination that nothing more can be done for him and he must be taken off of life support. He should “die with dignity,” they said. The parents, Chris Gard and Connie Yates, disagreed.

    This is the very crucial thing to understand: they are not insisting that GOSH be forced to keep Charlie on life support. Rather, they want to take him out of the hospital and to America to undergo a form of experimental therapy that a doctor here had already agreed to administer. Chris and Connie raised over $1.6 million to fund this last ditch effort to save their child’s life. All they needed the British hospital to do was release their child into their care, which doesn’t seem like a terribly burdensome request. They would then leave the country and try their luck with treatment here. However slim the chance of success may have been, it was better than just sitting by and watching their baby die.

    Here’s where things get truly insane and barbaric. The hospital refused to give Charlie back to his parents. The matter ended up in the courts, and, finally, in the last several hours, the European Court of “Human Rights” ruled that the parents should be barred from taking their son to the United States for treatment. According to the “human rights” court, it is Charlie’s human right that he expire in his hospital bed in London. The parents are not allowed to try and save his life. It is “in his best interest” to simply die, they ruled.

    In Europe, “Death with dignity” supersedes all other rights.

    In Europe, a mother may kill her baby but she is not allowed to keep him alive.

    Again: barbaric.

    Matt Walsh: Courts in Europe have sentenced a baby to death. This is socialized medicine.
     
    #1 Revmitchell, Jun 29, 2017
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    The state is determined to kill the baby.

    Yeppers. That's socialized medicine.
     
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    Is turning the machines off killing or is it letting nature take its course?
     
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    Is refusing to allow the parents to try other possibilities killing or is it letting nature take it's course?:Devilish:Devilish:Devilish
     
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    You didn't answer my question. I didn't pick a side, just ask a question.
     
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    Not only that, but they will not release the baby so he can die at home instead of the hospital.
     
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    I don't think that's the point. The child's parents have raised sufficient money to take him to the USA for experimental treatment. Doctors in Britain are unanimous in saying that it won't work, and they may well be correct, but the parents should have the right to determine the welfare of their child.
     
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    I am curious and not arguing. This is a subject I have pondered and would like your and others opinion about ...


    Is keeping the machines going and keeping a person alive artificially an interference with God's will in not letting nature takes its course?

    Maybe this should be the topic of a new thread.
     
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    This is a question worth considering (and one everyone who doesn't want to "survive" on life support (like me) may want to think about. Is it suicide for a man diagnosed with cancer to forego chemotherapy, or to refuse trial medications and options?

    The problem here (with the OP) however, is the one making that decision.
     
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    Turning off the machines when there are treatments left untried is not fighting so he can live.
     
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    Yes. Not allowing the parents to bring the child to the US with their own money, and in fact making the child stay at the hospital until pronounced dead IS a death sentence. "Nature taking its course" is a Godless thing to say about this case.
     
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    Is fighting for him to live a violation of God's will? [I am serious in my question, not arguing. I could argue either side of this issue, but would like some intelligent thoughts from others on this topic.]
     
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    Communism lite. If we don't get the left put down here, we will be there in short time.
     
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    A little over a year ago my wife was given a choice because I couldn't make it being unconscious - shall we surgically implant a pacemaker in him to save his life?

    Guess what the answer was :Roflmao

    Be kind CTB.

    HankD
     
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    I have filled out the forms for my state. I say, if I am put on life support, leave me there for 7 days. If there is no appreciable improvement in 7 days then turn the machine off. Also, I have donated my body to a medical school. The state send me a card I carry in my billfold so if I am killed in a car wreck my body will be taken to a med school. Why pay the undertaker?
     
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    Noble!

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    You've heard intelligent thoughts. Why don't you give us an intelligent reason that it's NOT a death sentence. And before you claim I didn't answer so you won't, Fighting for a sick child's' life could not possibly be a violation of God's will and I challenge you to even explain why you asked it.
     
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    Because I can argue both sides of the question and wanted intelligent, thought out replies. This is not a simply question.

    God is in control of nature ... right? How is allowing a person to live artificially a good thing? Let me give you an example.

    Modern medicine is a two-edged sword. When is it too much?

    I have a friend whose father had a massive stroke at on near Thanksgiving of 2016. He is being kept alive artificially. There is no response from him in any way, even to a pin prick. Is it better to "keep him alive artifically, perhaps for years, or to stop the machines and let him die. If not for the machines he would have died in later November or December.

    If this were you, which would you want?

    OK, now I answered you. Please answer me. Thanks.
     
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    You're defending both sides of this ? I've only heard you defend one.
     
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    The issue of "death with dignity" is being sidestepped.

    This the left's tactic - bring in borderline and exceptional cases to cloud the issue.

    The issue is that allowing "death with dignity" can and no doubt will lead to handing over the right of euthanasia to the state.

    Next step - eugenics komrades.

    Ah, brave new world!

    HankD
     
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