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Featured Matthew 28:1-10 versus John 20:1and 2.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by rstrats, Jun 5, 2019.

  1. rstrats

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    Matthew 28:1-10 says that when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb that she was told by an angel that the Messiah had risen and would be seen in Galilee. Matthew then says that she ran "with great joy" to tell the disciples and while on the way that she met the Messiah (this occurred before she got to the disciples).

    However, John 20:1 and 2 say that when she came to the tomb and didn’t find the Messiah there, that she ran to the disciples and told them that He had been taken away and that she didn’t know where He was. In Matthew she knew where He was (or at least had been) and where He would be, but in John she didn’t.

    How can this be reconciled?
     
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    re: "According to my Bible it says she didn't meet Him until she and the disciples were all together in Galilee."

    Matthew 28:9 - "And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him." This was before Mary M. got to the disciples.
     
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    If you'll notice I deleted my post right after I posted it because I mis spoke
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    re: "If you'll notice I deleted my post right after I posted it because I mis spoke"

    Yes, but not until after I made my 2nd post.
     
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    I like what F.B. Meyer's commentary says about the event and John's comments about it.

    "In considering John’s account of the Resurrection, we should remember that it is largely supplementary to the other narratives. This Gospel having been written long after those were in circulation, the selection of incidents which are recorded is made for spiritual purposes. John’s object was to show various instances of faith in the risen Christ, each one being typical and having its own lessons to teach.
    Easter morning! What dismay there is in Mary’s voice and what consternation in her face! What a mistake also she made, for who can take our Lord away from hearts where He is enshrined! The Greek word used to describe the disposition of the clothes is very remarkable. It conveys the idea that they had fallen together, as if that which they had covered had been suddenly withdrawn.
    How much those two disciples missed! Had they only waited, they might have seen the Lord. Do not hurry with wanton haste from the mysteries of our Lord’s grave; but learn that on the one hand He was declared to be God’s Son, Rom_1:4, and on the other we are taught the victory of faith even over death, Joh_11:26."


    This makes good sense since John was much older when He wrote his version. Also when we experience an event that is so upsetting as this must have been. People remember things differently. It would have been very unlikely if everyone remembered it the same way. It.s not a mistake because of this it's only human nature. When investigating an event such as where witnesses are very upset because of it it is not unusual to get several completely different views. Both statements are true to the memory of the witnesses. This ia only one example of scripture that proves what the witnesses wrote is true.
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    In John's account, Mary finds the tomb open and empty and runs to tell the disciples. They all return to the tomb and look. The disciples leave, but Mary remains. It was at that time she meets Jesus. Although John doesn't mention the instructions found in Matthew, we can assume that's when Jesus gave those instructions.

    The account in Matthew doesn't mention the first run to the disciples, but only Mary's encounter with Jesus after she returned to the tomb and was instructed by the angel that Jesus was alive.

    Please remember that the writers of scripture were not writing as modern day historians write. They all had specific reasons for writing and arraigned the material to fit those reasons. They only recorded the information that they felt important.

    Peace to you
     
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    Trying to fit the gospel accounts together can be challenging, but most difficulties can be resolved. The first step in resolving this difficulty is to compare all the accounts to find the apparent conflicts.

    Did Mary Magdalene return with the other ladies and therefore meet Jesus on the road? Matthew does not say. Maybe she was ahead of the group, or behind the group that met Jesus on the road, so she would not know where He was.
     
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    Matthew's account switchs from some specifically named women in verse 28:1 to some women in general in 28:5. And makes no mention of Mary M. running off immedately upon seeing the stone was rolled away as mentioned in John's acount. The detailed differencs in all four acounts are nothing more than specific omission of some details by each otherwise true report.
     
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    When did Marry Madeline become a prostitute?
     
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    What has that to do with the price of tea in China?
     
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    Was she?
     
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    No evidence.
     
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    Yet, I have heard preaching as if it were true.

    As that pertains to the op?

    A wise pastor will be wise when attempting to prioritize the events by timeline and draw more attention to the truth the writer is presenting rather than strict sequencing.

    If one questions a minor detail, always redirect and refocus upon that truth being presented by the author.

    Did the others run off leaving Mary behind, perhaps.

    What (imo) is significant is that because Christ still bore the marks of the crucifixion, she recognized Him by His voice.

    “My sheep hear my voice.”

    Satan may imitate the voice, but believers discern the voice.
     
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    I think she recognized him, when he called her by name.
     
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    I agree.

    A hundred kids on the playground, and a parent can pick out their own by the voice.
     
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    A more pesky problem arises in the "long ending of Mark." Mark 16:9 says Jesus first met with Mary Magdalene but that does not mesh with the other gospel accounts. I resolve this one by pointing out that verse is possibly not inspired and therefore that assertion, since it lacks support elsewhere can be ignored.
     
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    re: " It.s not a mistake because of this it's only human nature. When investigating an event such as where witnesses are very upset because of it it is not unusual to get several completely different views. Both statements are true to the memory of the witnesses."


    But that doesn't make it true as to the actual reality of the event.
     
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    I didn't say that it did. We have to look at it as one side of the testimony available. You have to look at all testimonies. Remember no two people concentrate on or notice the same things in an event like this. The only way to visualize what really happened is we combine the stories together this way we get a clearer picture of what happened. Then we have to remember the event did happen because all the witnesses experince the event and testified to what they had seen.
    MB
     
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    I see no such problem.
     
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    Ok, but I see it.
     
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