MH17: Getting the right answers requires asking the right questions

[asterisktom]

I thought this article was worth reading.

Instead of rushing to a conclusion, careful investigation would be helpful. This site asks 10 questions for the Ukrainian authorities - and for their kneejerk defenders:

http://rt.com/news/173976-mh17-crash-questions-ukraine/

Especially interesting is this:
"2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes? "

 

[Bro. James]

Regardless of who is responsible, will some one please secure the area other than the rebel thugs who are presently controlling the crash site?

Or shall the bodies be left for the skin worms and vultures?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[asterisktom]

Regardless of who is responsible, will some one please secure the area other than the rebel thugs who are presently controlling the crash site?

Or shall the bodies be left for the skin worms and vultures?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

"Rebel thugs"? That would be the Western funded oligarchs who overthrew a legitimately elected government in Kiev.

But, along the lines of your question, take a look at this question:

"9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators? "

Who is truly in charge of this situation? Our perceptions differ.

 

[Bro. James]

I see many colors of smoke screen. Regardless of who may or may not be culpable in the tragedy, can the body bag crew get in there and do the right thing? A scapegoat can be offered later. This situation is long past urgent.

Who knows about the politics of this situation? The Ukraine seems involved in a civil war--which usually means somebody in control is walking on somebody who wants control. This is usually between the haves and the have nots. V. Putin is a not so benevolent dictator stirring the pot. Throw in a little ethnic cleansing and things can get really nasty for many innocent by-standers.

Blame?? It seems really stupid to make a flight plan which carries 295 people over a war zone--even at 33,000 ft. The Maylasian govt. needs to get out of the flying passengers business.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus

Bro. James

 

[asterisktom]

It seems really stupid to make a flight plan which carries 295 people over a war zone--even at 33,000 ft. The Maylasian govt. needs to get out of the flying passengers business.

Agreed on this.

 

[asterisktom]

To further help with some helpful background, we might like at this well researched article:
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/18/facts-needed-on-malaysian-plane-shoot-down/

Of course, those who most need to read the above won't even bother. It's too easy just to hold on to the simplistic US vs. Them paradigm.

To really appreciate the article it helps to have a certain grasp of recent history (well, the 70s and 80s are recent to me!) and a willingness to reevaluate.

 

[InTheLight]

I thought this article was worth reading.

Especially interesting is this:
2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes? "

9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators? "

It's an article full of assumptions, innuendo and leading questions. It doesn't say anything, just leaves the reader to fill in the blanks based on their biases and prejudices. Straight out of the Rush Limbaugh playbook. Example: "Why is Hillary Clinton refusing to testify before Congress? What does she have to hide?"

 

[Revmitchell]

"Why is Hillary Clinton refusing to testify before Congress? What does she have to hide?"

Legitimate questions to ask.

 

[InTheLight]

Legitimate questions to ask.

Well, yeah if you watch Fox News! Whatever answer you form from these leading questions will depend on your built-in bias.

Examples:

Answers (if you are a Democrat):
1. She's not refusing to testify, she hasn't been called to testify.
2. Nothing.

Answers (if you are a Republican):
1. She's afraid she will say something incriminating.
2. Her complicity in Benghazi

 

[Revmitchell]

Well, yeah if you watch Fox News! Whatever answer you form from these leading questions will depend on your built-in bias.

Examples:

Answers (if you are a Democrat):
1. She's not refusing to testify, she hasn't been called to testify.
2. Nothing.

Answers (if you are a Republican):
1. She's afraid she will say something incriminating.
2. Her complicity in Benghazi

ok?

 

[poncho]

I thought this article was worth reading.

Instead of rushing to a conclusion, careful investigation would be helpful. This site asks 10 questions for the Ukrainian authorities - and for their kneejerk defenders:

http://rt.com/news/173976-mh17-crash-questions-ukraine/

Especially interesting is this:
"2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes? "

Seems to me Americans have been conditioned to think of Russians as subhuman for so long now we're unable to think of them in any other way. Most American's will consider them guilty no matter what.

That plays right into the western elite's desire for global hegemony and looting Ukraine.

 

[Revmitchell]

Seems to me Americans have been conditioned to think of Russians as subhuman for so long now we're unable to think of them in any other way. Most American's will consider them guilty no matter what.

That plays right into the western elite's desire for global hegemony and looting Ukraine.

Taking cues from the Democrat playbook I see. No one sees Russians has subhuman. What we do see is their leadership has a nefarious agenda.

 

[Rolfe]

No one sees Russians has subhuman. What we do see is their leadership has a nefarious agenda.

My impression of the Russian people that I have interacted with, mostly in the course of business, is that they are like anyone else. It is those in power who are the thorn in the U.S.'s side.

 

[Rolfe]

Seems to me Americans have been conditioned to think of Russians as subhuman for so long now we're unable to think of them in any other way. Most American's will consider them guilty no matter what.

To an extent, I agree. The Cold War was not that long ago, and stereotypes can be hard to undo.

 

[asterisktom]

It's an article full of assumptions, innuendo and leading questions. It doesn't say anything, just leaves the reader to fill in the blanks based on their biases and prejudices."

It doesn't say anything to those who don't like what it says. Forget Limbaugh and Clinton. They have nothing to do with this. Do you know how to stay on topic?

 

[InTheLight]

It doesn't say anything to those who don't like what it says. Forget Limbaugh and Clinton. They have nothing to do with this. Do you know how to stay on topic?

There is no "topic." There is only a bunch of leading questions with false assumptions. There is nothing to talk about.