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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by HisWitness, Jun 20, 2013.

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  1. HisWitness

    HisWitness New Member

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    you still fail to deal with the issue at hand--whats the problem--because you have no answer for it or what ????

    you neglect to answer what I keep asking over and over with all your posts ???
     
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    Charles Spurgeon even believed Michael was jesus in his writings.

    what will you say that Spurgeon was a heretic and JW also ??
     
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    HW, the answer has been given. You neglect the Scriptures that clearly show that Jesus is not Michael.
     
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    I understand what you are saying here brother..

    But could the voice of the archangel also be heard of the dead also--even though it doesn't word it like John did--but is plainly at the resurrection ?
     
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    Do you believe Jesus is God and in His Deity?
     
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    Then you have an argument from silence. I try to never base doctrine on arguments of silence - i.e. "The Bible doesn't specifically say..." There are too many clear passages in support of the foundational doctrines of the Word of God to stray on an issue because of an isolated verse or two.
     
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  7. HisWitness

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    ok I see what you are saying brother.

    But Charles Spurgeon and Matthew Henry did well believe that Michael was jesus. and Both of these were Baptists :jesus::jesus:
     
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    let me update this....................................

    Spurgeon,henry,calvin,Gill,Edwards

    these 5 preachers were Baptists and believed Michael was indeed jesus

    so when you state this is not a Baptist doctrine---do you studies more careful next time :jesus::jesus::
     
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    HisWit, Do you believe Jesus of the NT is Jehovah of the OT?
     
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    Document each of these.
     
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    HW
    You are a full preterist.
    You believe that Jesus has already come.
    You believe that we presently live in a new heaven and a new earth.

    Do you believe that there will be a resurrection of the just and the unjust?
    Do you believe in a future coming of the Lord?
    If Michael is Christ, is Christ deity, and conversely is Michael, an angel, deity?
    Did Christ rise from the dead in a physical resurrection?
    Did he return in a physical manner?
     
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    I ask again:

     
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    I find no evidence of Calvin making such a claim.

    As to Gill, he did make the claim in his comment on Jude 9.

    Spurgeon? Some issues he seemed to be straddling the fence. This was one of them. In one sermon he implies that they are the same, in another, not.

    Edwards, I haven't researched yet.


    But these men were commentators. They are not inspired authority. The fact that Hebrews 1 shows us that none of the angels have the position that Jesus has, and that all angels will worship Him, reveals that He cannot be Michael.

    The term "archangel" simply means "chief angel." Michael was chief angel, but an angel nonetheless. And the Bible states that all the angels will worship Christ. Michael will be one of those angels worshiping Christ.
     
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    "Baptist" doctrine will send one to hell. If "Baptist" doctrine isn't BIBLICAL doctrine, it's false and must be rejected. The "supposed" fact that the "men" you mentioned in you post taught that Michael the archangel was/is Jesus Christ is false, whether these "men" were Baptists or not, doesn't change the fact that it is a false doctrine. This teaching is "another" gospel and "another" jesus.

    Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
     
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    HisWit, Do you believe Jesus of the NT is Jehovah of the OT?
     
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    Spurgeon's comments directly from his sermons.............



    “By faith we rise into the conquering place this day. In the heavenlies we triumph, as also in every place. We rejoice in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Michael of the angels, the Redeemer of men. For by Him we see Satan cast out and all the powers of evil hurled from their places of power and eminence.”

    From “Our Lord’s Transcendent Greatness” (Dec. 2, 1866):


    You remember how our Lord, who is the true Michael, the only great Archangel, said at the beginning of the preaching of the Gospel, “I beheld Satan as lightning falling from Heaven.”

    From “The Angelic Life” (Nov. 22, 1868):


    “We read that Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels, and the dragon was cast down. The fight is going on every day. Michael is the Lord Jesus, the only Archangel.”
     
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    I hear crickets. :thumbsup:
     
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    If he cannot or will not answer this fundamental question then he should be banned from the Baptist Board.
     
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    I have already stated I believe God the Father,Son,Spirit
     
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    Furthermore the name Michael means like unto God--equal with God
     
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