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Featured Militiamen seize national park office in Oregon

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Use of Time, Jan 2, 2016.

  1. Use of Time

    Use of Time Well-Known Member
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    Nope, that isn't quite how it went down buddy. The local court screwed up what is to be a mandatory minimum sentence. They got called on it.
     
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    Terrorism. Kill them all.

    Is that what you want to hear?Roflmao
     
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    I know man, they should just comply with the law right? If only they were raised better.

    I remember this argument somewhere.
     
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    And that's their fault? Right. It's worth someone dying over burned of ranchland...a common practice by ranchers. Let's kill all these guys and throw these hardened criminals back in jail.
     
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    So you have no ideas. Just do something. Anything.

    Let's show those gun toting citizens how powerful we are.
     
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    Why are they special? Why do they get to escape the federal mandatory minimum sentence?

    Well a common practice by ranchers is not to burn land that isn't theirs so.......
     
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    Well children, I have to go to work. Maybe by this time tomorrow, the feds will have killed some of these terrorists. That should make you happy.
     
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    LOLOLOLOL!
     
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    Dearborn, Michigan?

    I kid, I kid.
     
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    Dwight and Steven Hammond were leasing the land for cattle grazing. They were convicted of arson and sentenced to five years in prison. They are going to peacefully turn themselves in tomorrow to serve their sentence when here comes Ammon Bundy and his group to protest the convictions and "help" the Hammonds. The Bundy's had a similar run in with the Bureau of Land Management and cattle grazing in Nevada back in April 2014. The Bundy's hadn't paid their land lease fees for years so the Feds evicted them and removed their cattle from the land whereupon the Bundy's formed another group of armed protesters and stood up to the Feds.

    The Hammonds want no part of the Bundy's.
     
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    They had a protest march, and then some of them just kind of took a turn and occupied the building and called it "home base."
     
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    It was vacant over the weekend and they drove out there and took it over. Not sure if they broke into it, but it sure wasn't open to the public.
     
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    They were convicted of arson for setting fire to federal land in an attempt to cover up poaching. The Hammond's claim they had to set fire to their own land so invasive species would not get a foothold and the fire spread to the federal land.

    http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/e...convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison
     
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    Link?
     
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    There was also a Federal ban on starting clearing fires because of out of control wild fire concerns which turned out to be prophetic.
     
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    How cute, putting words in my mouth.

    What is your definition of terrorism?

    There you go again...
     
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    I don't know why he is manufacturing the narrative of everyone in here of having some sort of bloodlust in this situation.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not allowed to speculate on the motivations of terrorists (see the San Bernardino thread) but he can tell me what I'm thinking. LOL!

    Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo using Tapatalk.
     
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    "Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

    • Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
    • Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
    • Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.
    18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:

    • Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
    • Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).
    https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition
     
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    Yep. Terrorists. If there was anything peaceful about them, they wouldn't have showed up with weapons as they try to influence government policy.

     
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