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Minnesota Muslim Congressman

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by hillclimber1, Dec 26, 2006.

  1. hillclimber1

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    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061225/NEWS99/61225002

    Ellison, who converted to Islam during college, made his remarks at the Hyatt Regency, the site of the five-day convention. He spoke about the controversies he has faced in recent weeks.

    Originally from Detroit, Michigan, he moved to Minnesota in 1987 to attend University of Minnesota Law School, where he was apparently successfully proselytized. Our colleges at work.
     
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    Your source, please? The college converted him? How about active Muslims or failure of a church's support? What was Ellison's story about his conversion?

    We need to be working harder to retain our youth, or convert them first. Their choice of religion is personal, our being watchmen is required.
     
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    It's in the article linked above by the Detroit Free Press:

    Ellison, who converted to Islam during college, made his remarks at the Hyatt Regency, the site of the five-day convention. He spoke about the controversies he has faced in recent weeks.

    My point on his conversion in college is that Christianity is probably not afforded the same opportunities for evangelism as virtually any other religion. Though my point was very poorly presented.
     
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    We would need to completely scrap the system of higher learning and it's vast left wing scholars. And that is not going to happen, so we must equip our children before entering "the system". And that isn't happening on any successful level either. I know about as many "home schooled or Christian Schooled" children that have been torn from their Christian roots and seduced by secular humanism in colleges as have successfully kept their faith in tact. The pressure from the other side is enormous.
     
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    It's in the article linked above by the Detroit Free Press:

    Ellison, who converted to Islam during college, made his remarks at the Hyatt Regency, the site of the five-day convention. He spoke about the controversies he has faced in recent weeks.

    My point on his conversion in college is that Christianity is probably not afforded the same opportunities for evangelism as virtually any other religion. Though my point was very poorly presented.
     
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    Checking the facts on this web site is a real eye opener for those who don't know what is going on in our institutions of higher learning.

    http://www.campus-watch.org/
     
  7. KenH

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    This "Chicken Little" mentality that Christians are showing over one Muslim being elected to the House is really sad to see.

    I am afraid that some of my fellow Christians would wipe out this portion of the U.S. constitution if they could:

    "but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States"

    and replace it with a section only evangelical Christians can hold public office anywhere in the United States.
     
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    Perhaps, then we should be more active on campus activities. When I was in college (millenia ago) at Tulsa University, there was an active Baptist Student Union. Although I dated an Iranian engineering student, he came to my church instead of my going to his mosque. Yes -- I took my dates to church first. How better to get to know them?
     
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    Him being elected isn't the issue. What he takes his oath of office on, is the issue. The Quran is an affront to our founding fathers, but more importantly, it is an affront to Almighty God, Who has blessed this nation more than any other on Earth.
     
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    Evidently 'millenia' ago, you set an example of a Christian unequally yoked with a muslim.

    Beyond that, I am at a loss for words.


     
  11. El_Guero

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    It is sad that in today's PC environment, Christians are the minority . . . and those in the majority believe that we no longer have rights.

    To God be the Glory.



     
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    Shocked at an interest in bringing an unsaved young man to church?
     
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    No, I have seen missionary dating replace the Great Commission many times.

    That you would admit to being comfortable with being unequally yoked? Yes.
     
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    Your error. Or misinterpretation. I was very comfortable with the time Hafeez spent in our church. Since that was the full extent of our seeing each other outside of one class, I do not consider that yoked, nor unequal.
     
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    Why is that an issue? Why does it matter to you? It isn't your oath. Besides, at the official swearing in no one has his/her hand on anything. The "swearing in" with a hand on an object is for a photo - it's not the real deal. Therefore, it means nothing - absolutely nothing legally at all. Just watch the House when the whole House is sworn in next month. That's the official swearing in - the one that counts. I see no reason to get upset over what happens later at a non-binding photo-op.

    On Sunday George Will said that he would want to be sworn in on the Federalist Papers. I might go along with that idea if was ever elected to the Congress. :)

    Also, the government of the United States is not the church. I really don't understand why some evangelicals don't understand that.

    I think our Founding Fathers would rejoice at a Muslim being in the Congress. This is exactly what they risked everything for - including their lives. They fought for an inclusive society, not a theocracy.

    Frankly, I think there is a strain of evangelical Christians that are just as dangerous to this republic as some of the ACLU types are.
     
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    Really?

    I doubt that I understand any better than he did.
     
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    I do not know about LE, but it matters to me - because my God is a jealous God . . . .

    I don't think any of my Founding Fathers considered islam a good thing. While they did not fight for a theocracy, we did fight against taxation without representation and tyranny - exactly what islamic governments have always done and been.
     
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    Which college did you attend, hillclimber1?
     
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    Ken, I was with you 100% but I disagree as to our Founders likely reaction. I suspect (I don't have anything solid to base it on, though), they would be dismayed to see a Muslim elected, as they were students of history and knew Islam's violent history. That said, you're exactly right about the religious test clause and the oath. I am troubled by his election, but the voters put him in. Sad commentary on that particular constituency but that is our representative form of government.
     
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    FTR

    I gotta agree with your commentary . . . even if I cannot stand what is happening in this country.

    God bless

    Wayne


     
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