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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by glad4mercy, Oct 13, 2016.

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  1. TCassidy

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    syn·er·gy
    ˈsinərjē
    noun
    noun: synergism
    the interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects.

    God's grace + your submission (not resisting) = "a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects."

    God's grace is insufficient to save you if you resist.

    You refrain from resisting.

    Synergism.
     
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    You are still stuck with God desiring ALL sinners to repent to get saved by God, His will that none perish, Jesus died for all, so in the end, the will of man trumps will of God!
     
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    At anytime every person you speak with could be an elect person.
    All can be told that God saves sinners from their sins.
    It is no problem to stick with the apostolic message.
     
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    Read ezk 34.....the sheep are His so He seeks and saves them.It is when the Spirit gives then a new heart that they can welcome the truth of the word.
     
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    a, How can you improve on Omnipotence/Infinite power. You can't

    b. God's grace is more than sufficient, whether I resist or not.

    c. Refraining from resisting is not interacting or cooperating with the grace of God in order to create a combined effect greater than the sum of mine and God's seperate effects. (Balderdash) Salvation is all of God, so my accepting His salvation is not making the effect of Him saving me greater. I add NO WORK NOR DO I ADD ANY EFFICIENT POWER TO THE POWER OF GOD TO SAVE.

    Not synergism, even by the definition you posted
     
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    Not if God ORDAINED it to be such. You seem to think that God is too impotent and weak to be Sovereign if anyone can resist His Will. Resisting a Soveriegn DOES NOT REMOVE HIS ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGNTY. It just means the resister will fall under His absolute wrath/judgement.

    So simple a child can understand.
     
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    I am actually quite surprised that reformed folks are still trotting out that sophomoric argument. I would suggest you think that through some more before using it again.
     
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    That is speaking of the sheep of the house of Israel, to whom Christ came first. And God has given a remnant of Israel the New Birth, He is drawing them today, and He will also draw them with a far greater drawing. But sometimes God draws through means that you are not considering.
     
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    I would agree that is not a well thought through argument. That kind of argument limits the power of God in a sense, as if to say God is not powerful enough to be Sovereign unless His will is unresisted. Resistance of God's will does not remove God's power or Soveriegnty, it just results in a lot of pain for the fool who does it.
     
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    It never ceases to amaze me how Arminians have to twist the meanings of words and come up with convoluted "explanations" in order to defend their error that God needs their help in saving them.
     
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    Excuse me but who has ever said "God needs my help to save me?"
     
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    Simple question...what Arminian has ever said that we co-operate with God in order to produce a greater effect than what God's working alone can produce? I know of none.
     
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    GOOD QUESTION!

    I am no more synergist than I am semipelagianism. I reject both. I guess that makes me a Calvinist If all Arminians are synergist, as T Cassiday seems to think

    These categories people make up (like synergists) are all messed up. Maybe we should stop putting categories on people when they dont fit.
     
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    You, yourself, have said you must cooperate with God by not resisting. QED
     
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    Those who say we must assist Him by not resisting.
     
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    No sir, there have been other posts where you insisted that specific words be used or have been used to mean very narrow things. Now stay consistent here and show me one single post where someone claimed that God needs their help. I want to see a specific post with that exact claim.

    If you do not provide it you are being inconsistent in your constant insistence of the narrow use of words and you are bearing a false witness toward those with whom you disagree.

    I am waiting.
     
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    Still waiting
     
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    Just as I thought no one has said God needs my help. Your misrepresentative characterization is not what people have said or believe. It is called being a false witness.
     
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