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Mormonism and Romney

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by church mouse guy, Oct 9, 2007.

  1. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member

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    Newspaper columnist Kathleen Parker published an article last week about how Mitt Romney should have evangelical votes because he believes that Jesus is God.

    Here is a link to her column:

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/KathleenParker/2007/10/05/christians_for_self-defeat

    Mitt Romney does not share the values of Christians.

    And Mitt Romney does belong to a non-Christian cult: the Mormons. And sad to say, it is incorrect to say that both Christians and Mormons believe "...in Jesus Christ as God..."

    Mormons do not believe that Jesus is God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity. In fact, Mormons reject the Trinity. They believe that Jesus is one of many gods, that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer, and that Jesus is merely god of planet earth. Mormons have another Jesus, just as Paul warned against:

    "2 Corinthians 11:2-4 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

    But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

    Mitt Romney, as a member of Mormonism, believes that, if he stays a good Mormon, he too can become a god in charge of his own planet.

    So voting for Mitt Romney would be like voting for Jim Jones of People's Temple, which was started here in Indianapolis.

    As for the charge that some could be persuaded "...that Romney is a closet polygamist..."--I myself do not blame Mitt Romney for what his ancestors might have done. Nor do I believe that Mitt Romney advocates polygamy.

    My charge against Mitt Romney and all other Mormons is that they are polytheistic.

    Mormons are on a power drive. In addition to this cream puff article by Kathleen Parker, who clearly knows no theology, other Mormons in power are Senate Majority Leader Democrat Harry Reid. Also, there is the GOP Hatch, an unreliable Republican.

    Other Mormon runs at high power were made by Ezra Taft Benson, Sec. of Agriculture under Ike; George Romney; and the Udalls. One of the Udalls is still in Congress from New Mexico and is a member of the socialistic Progressive Caucus, so you can see that Mormons are striving from all political spectrums. Here is a link about Udall:

    http://cpc.lee.house.gov/index.cfm?...=0&SectionID=4&SectionTree=4&lnk=b&ItemID=164
     
  2. Ivon Denosovich

    Ivon Denosovich New Member

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    church mouse guy, what would you do if Romney were on the ticket as a veep?
     
  3. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member

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    Why I'd vote Democrat so that I could clean up the GOP.
     
  4. Magnetic Poles

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    And what does any of that have to do with his qualifications to be President? Answer: None.
     
  5. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member

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    Aren't you a Democrat, MP?

    Aren't you a Democrat, MP?

    Of course, it matters what a person believes--especially if that person is an anti-Christ cultist like a Mormon. Would you have voted for Jim Jones of Peoples Temple during his heyday, MP? By the way that is not a far-fetched question because Jim Jones was active in politics in registering voters and turning out the vote, especially in California.

    At any rate, the GOP has a chance to reject the Mormon power-grab, perhaps once and for all. Remember it was Joe Smith who attacked all Christian churches as an abomination long before any Christian had ever heard of Mormons.
     
  6. hillclimber1

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    Sweep the GOP out of Congress is a more appropriate statement, or result.

    I say that because if the Dem's get control of both houses and the WH, legislation is sure to follow, making it difficult for conservatives to regain any power. They feel they should own congress, it's their right and the voters were jaded by the Rush's out there.
     
  7. saturneptune

    saturneptune New Member

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    One could argue that. I am not voting for Romney because either he was lying about gay rights and abortion when he was governor of Massachussetts, or lying while he is running for President. It could be he does not care, and says what is necessary at the time. Anyway, that is plenty of evidence for a lack of a moral compass or leaderships skills, regardless of Chrisitianity.
     
  8. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member

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    I don't have to vote for any Republican whatsoever.

    The GOP was out of power totally during the New Deal and World War II so we are used to Democrat excesses, Ladies and Gentlemen.

    The people apologizing for Mormonism are saying that there is no religious test for elected or apointed office and, in the case of Kathleen Parker, the people apologizing for Mormonism are saying that Mormonism is Christian.

    The fact that there is no religious test is really beside the point that I am trying to make. I am saying that Mormonism is a non-Christian cult and that I do not have to vote for an enemy of my church just because he or she happens to support my political party or political agenda. And in the case of Mormonism, the political agenda ranges from the questionable conservatism of Mormon Romney to the socialism of Mormon Congressman Tom Udall of New Mexico with the liberal Democrat agenda of Mormon Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid also on the left.

    We can get along without the cultists. Let's try.
     
  9. Ivon Denosovich

    Ivon Denosovich New Member

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    My senitments exactly. It amazes me his candidacy is even taken seriously.

    If Romney becomes the nominee he should pick Larry Craig as his veep and run on an anti-gay marriage platform.
     
  10. hillclimber1

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    It's hard to argue with that. But whomever we vote for in '08' it's going to be a nose holding task.
     
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    Every time I watch one of the debates...Democrat or GOP...I have to agree with that statement more and more!!! :thumbs:
     
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    Folks, I know it seems impossible, but we the people have the power to elect neither party.
     
  13. Ivon Denosovich

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    church mouse guy, do you feel the same way about Giuliani and Catholicism?
     
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    church mouse guy Well-Known Member

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    Rudy should say that he will support the Reagan platform.

    Ivon and Everyone, I myself do not consider Catholicism a cult although it has cultic aspects such as the worship of Mary by some. Is that what you mean by your question, Ivon? I consider Catholicism as part of the religious left for the most part.

    The problem with Rudy is that he won't say that he will support the Reagan platform on domestic issues in spite of his personal opinions. Rudy seems to have good political skills and he is a Nine Eleven hero.

    I like Fred Thompson. It is still very early and the panic is among the Democrats, who probably cannot elect Hillary, their probable nominee. The GOP can afford to go slow and let the media worry about the fate of the Dems and Hillary. It is the media that started this early process this election and it is too early still in my opinion.

    cmg :type:
     
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    Not a hero, an oppurtunist.
     
  17. church mouse guy

    church mouse guy Well-Known Member

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    Why do you say that? Many another mayor would have crumbled--I am thinking of Democrat Bart Peterson of Indianapolis who has spent all of his life at the country club, for example. Rudy stood up and did his job and did it well. He has nothing to be ashamed of and people like him for it. As I have posted many times before, he has the common touch, which he showed here in Indianapolis a few weeks ago when he lunched at old-time Jewish Deli Shapiro's just south of downtown Indy. He was great! You just have to like him personally.

    http://www.shapiros.com/
     
  18. KenH

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    What did he do?
     
  19. hillclimber1

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    I was trying to speak to your first sentence above. The Dem's will institute some version of the "Fairness Doctrine" in order to silence those voices (Rush, Hannity et al) that balance the political rhetoric.

    I share your view on the rest, but don't have as big a check in me as you seem to have. We've had a whole bunch of different Presidents in the past and I remember the hue and cry when JFK was elected/running. His "religion" didn't seem to matter. The Mormon's seem to have a measure of "morality" that fits society OK, even though they're hell bound.
     
  20. Magnetic Poles

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    There are also a lot of good mayors who rise to the occasion. For example, remember Ron Norick, mayor of Oklahoma City during the attack at the Murrah Federal Building? He showed leadership during a time of crisis. But you don't see him making a career out of tragedy the way Giuliani and the GOP have out of 9/11.
     
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