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Muslims in our Pulpits

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Helen, Jan 8, 2002.

  1. Helen

    Helen <img src =/Helen2.gif>

    Aug 29, 2001
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    I am posting this up here because I think it is imperative that we, as Bible-believing Christians, make a stand as the author of this article indicates. The recent incident of Christians being gunned down was barely noted by the press, although I can guarantee that if it had been anyone else gunned down for religious reasons it would have made worldwide news.

    I don't want to deal with "Is Allah the same as the God of the Bible" which went on interminably below. This author deals with it well, and this article needs to be read by Bible-believing Christians no matter where they are.



    It was called the "Congress of the Cults." Over 4,000 priests,
    pastors, and ministers from all denominations were assembled. They
    had elected Joseph Stalin as their honorary president. One after
    another went to the podium proclaiming that Christianity and
    communism were fundamentally the same. They could co-exist. They
    could "all get along."

    A young Christian woman could bear it no longer. She looked at her
    husband, a Lutheran pastor, and said, "They are spitting on the face
    of Jesus. Go wash the shame off His face." Her husband warned her,
    "If I speak against the communists, you will no longer have a
    husband." The pastor's wife, Sabina Wurmbrand, simply replied, "I do
    not wish to have a coward for a husband."

    So Pastor Richard Wurmbrand, a lone voice among the 4,000, went to
    the microphone. He was well known in Romania, and everyone believed
    he would go along with the assembly for the sake of "peace." He
    didn't. He spoke only of loyalty to Jesus Christ. He could not
    "co-exist" with any entity that opposed the Great Commission

    For his simple protest, Richard paid dearly-as did countless
    Christians who refused to "bow down" to the ways of communism.

    Today we face the same scenario. Jesus is being spit upon in American
    churches. Christians are selling their soul for a "peaceful
    co-existence" found in deceit. But who will come forward and wipe
    away the shame?

    I cannot take it any longer. How many of our brothers and sisters
    must be beaten, tortured, burned or decapitated, before we realize
    that Christians and Muslims DO NOT serve the same God?

    We love the Muslims. Many of our co-workers put aside their own
    safety to reach them for Christ. We print special literature in their
    languages; we produce and broadcast special programs into the Middle
    East. We are
    willing to give our own lives to win the soul of a single Muslim. But
    we will never, never align ourselves with Islam and its militant
    teachings. To do so would destroy the very witness many of our
    brothers and sisters are dying for.

    Across America pastors and Christian leaders are allowing
    representatives of the Islamic faith to freely speak in their
    pulpits. This happened at Willow Creek Community Church, the largest
    church in America, where a
    Muslim man named Faisal Hammouda was allowed to share the pulpit.
    During the interview with Pastor Bill Hybels, Hammouda claimed: "As a
    matter of fact, we, all of us...believe in Jesus. I believe in Jesus.
    I believe in Mohammed and all the prophets. So our mission here is to
    introduce people to God." He also stated, "We believe in Jesus more
    than you do, in fact."

    But the Koran says, "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)!
    Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but
    the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no
    more than) a Messenger of Allah and His Word...." The Koran also
    claims that Jesus was never crucified. Muslims do not recognize the
    sovereignty of Jesus Christ or His sacrifice. They do not accept the
    way of the cross. So how could this be the same God? (Read I John

    Faisal went on to say, "Jihad means striving to improve oneself,
    striving to change conditions to better conditions, striving against
    evil." Even the Chicago Tribune noted that laughter could be heard
    "rolling" through the audience as Hammouda discussed the "true"
    definition of a "jihad" saying, "It even could refer to a personal
    holy war to overcome, say, a desire to eat more candy."

    How foolish have we allowed ourselves to become? Three Sundays after
    Faisal Hammouda gave his "enlightening" presentation, 16 of your
    brothers and sisters were gunned down in a church in Pakistan. You
    may blame this on the war against terrorism, but you would be
    mistaken. If it was against America, why did the gunmen target their
    countrymen? If Faisal is right and Islam is "peace-loving," why are
    our brothers and sisters in ALL Islamic-controlled countries facing
    severe persecution? Unfortunately, in his interview, Pastor Hybels
    left that question out. This may sound harsh; it isn't. The treatment
    that the Body of Christ is facing in Islamic countries is harsh. We
    feel truly sorry for Willow Creek. In an effort to "love," they left
    out the truth.

    There is no love in deceit. We are in danger of loving the Muslims to
    hell. What will they say before Christ? Will they say, "But we all
    served the same God. We even spoke in Your churches. When did we
    persecute You?" God forbid we trade salvation for "safety." Could
    Christ have peacefully co-existed with the religious rulers of His
    time? Could the apostle Paul have "just gotten along" with the
    religious and political powers of his time and avoided martyrdom?

    Jesus said that if they hated Him, they will hate us. Nevertheless,
    we are called to be a witness. We are not called to figure out a way
    to get people to accept us.

    If you love the Muslims, tell them about the Jesus they so fervently
    persecute. If you love the Muslims, support those who are willing to
    lay down their life to be a witness among them (John 15:13). If you
    want to
    reach your congregation and help "bridge the gap," invite Christians
    who have converted from Islam to speak to your congregation.

    The simple fact is: Muslims do not "peacefully co-exist" with
    Christians. Faisal Hammouda did not speak for Islam. If he thought he
    did, he was deceived. Islamic teachings offer no tolerance for those
    who reject
    Mohammed for Christ. Read the Koran for yourself. Study Islamic
    history. Learn the truth about what is happening right now in Sudan,
    Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Yemen, Iran, Nigeria,
    Tunisia, Egypt, Tajikistan and other countries where Islam has a
    foothold. Remember, less than one percent of the Muslim population in
    the world lives in America.

    If you study Islamic history, you will learn that Mohammed traveled
    to Mecca and offered a peaceful doctrine. But it was not accepted. In
    fact, he was even persecuted. So he later traveled to Medina where
    his teachings took on a more hard-line militant form. Once he gained
    a following, he ruled by force. Now his teachings dominate in many
    nations. Islam struggles, fights, and even kills for its faith. Once
    it gains power, its real face is revealed. "Accept Allah and his
    prophet Mohammed, or die."This is happening right now in Indonesia,
    where the largest population of Muslims exists.

    We challenge Pastor Hybels and other American pastors who believe
    Islam and Christianity can peacefully co-exist to visit the Maluku
    islands of Indonesia or the capital of Islam, Saudi Arabia, where no
    church is
    allowed. We ask you to speak with your brothers and sisters who
    secretly worship there. (We have.) We invite you to learn the truth,
    then decide if you will join with them in winning Muslims for Christ,
    or sell your soul for a shroud of peace.

    The main issue at stake is the deity of Christ, not mutual
    understanding, dialog or feeling good about each other. Any
    question-and-answer session or dialog where Christ is not clearly
    presented as the only way (John 14:6) and as the complete Godhead in
    the flesh (such as Colossians 1:15-20 and 2:8-10, and 1 John 2:22-23)
    is blasphemy and a shameful attack on the cross. Christ described His
    way as narrow, not an "all faiths club."

    The issue is about access and power, not about negotiating away our
    Christianity. In Matthew 25:31-32, Jesus proclaimed this path and
    power as solely His. As a result, in Matthew 26:3-4, the chief
    priests and scribes
    consulted that they might kill Him.

    Muslims wish to neutralize Jesus for the same reasons the chief
    priests and scribes did. Some Christian leaders may try to squirm out
    of this conflict to maintain a politically correct, man-pleasing
    church. Choose this day
    whom you will serve. If we begin to present a fuzzy God (such as, we
    all worship the same God), we are opening the doors of hell to our
    people, not the door of heaven.

    We may be able to peacefully dialog with a Muslim man in America or
    in another Western culture. But this is a distorted reality. It is a
    partial truth at best. And when we present Islam as another truth, we
    spit on the
    face of Christ and those who serve His kingdom in Islamic countries.

    We do not hate the Muslims. We hate deception. We do not advocate
    violence. We advocate love and truth. We desire peace but will not
    trade it for compromise. We will reach out to Muslims but will not
    deny the
    sovereignty of Christ and the cross as the only way to salvation. And
    we will not turn our back on our family members who are suffering and
    being killed under Islam for their faith and witness in Jesus Christ.
    Islam is the dominant force trying to eradicate Jesus Christ in their
    nations and neutralize Him worldwide as another "prophet." We will
    not prostitute the gospel for a politically correct peace. Should any
    of us do otherwise?

    If you find any news articles or sermons endorsing all faiths
    "serving the same God" in your community, please send this material
    to us as we take a stand together for Christ. This will help us as we
    try to gain a better understanding of the American church and how it
    is addressing Islam. If you or your pastor needs more information
    about Islam, please call our office. Thank you for standing with our
    persecuted family this Christmas season.

    In Christ and for the martyrs,

    Dr. Tom White, President of Voice of the Martyrs

    The Voice of the Martyrs' 16-page, monthly newsletter is available,
    free of charge, to any who request it. Sign up here: Free Newsletter. (edited to create a link to Voice of the Martyrs)

    [ November 22, 2002, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: The Squire ]
  2. Barnabas H.

    Barnabas H. <b>Oldtimer</b>

    Jul 1, 2000
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    Thank you Helen for posting this valuable article here. I agree, people need to know, and Christians more than anybody else. The Voice of the Martyrs is coming to me, and it covers the whole world where there is persecution against His children. It is a worthy cause, a worthy ministry. [​IMG]
  3. JAMES2

    JAMES2 New Member

    Nov 16, 2001
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    Thanks for the great article. It would have been nice of the Lutheran pastor's wife would have stood with him, instead of insisting that her husband give up HIS life. But who knows what any of us would do in similar circumstances.

    As for Isalm, I am sick and tired of hearing about how peace loving it is. Isalm is a religion of violence, is one of the greates evils and disceptions of Satan in existence today. It is also the greates danger to Christianity. Look what this "religion" has done to the people that live under it. That's enough said right there.

    Almost no "leaders" of that group has outright condemned Sept. 11. A very small percentage of Muslin leaders in this country have turned in any of their members that are advocating hate against people.

    Are there individual Mulsins that are good people. I'm sure there are. They are lost, deluded but may mean well. We need to pray for those particular people(actually all people) to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

    [ January 08, 2002: Message edited by: JAMES2 ]
  4. Squire Robertsson

    Squire Robertsson Administrator

    Jul 4, 2000
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JAMES2:
    ... It would have been nice of the Lutheran pastor's wife would have stood with him, instead of insisting that her husband give up HIS life. But who knows what any of us would do in similar circumstances...
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not to worry, Mrs. Wurmbrand knew exactly what she was asking her husband to do and how it would effect her and her family. And considering the standard Stalinist operating procedure, Sister Wurmbrand knew she could easily be signing her own and her children's arrest and/or death warrents.
    Hoping to shed more light than heat,

    [ January 08, 2002: Message edited by: The Squire ]
  5. hillbilly

    hillbilly New Member

    Jan 4, 2002
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    Thanks Helen for this great post you've gave me alot to think about .
    You know the media has decieved Christians
    and the general public about Islam.

  6. JAMES2

    JAMES2 New Member

    Nov 16, 2001
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    Did you see the news reports about the public schools forcing kids to learn about Muslims while they are in school?

    Talking about the absurd public school system this takes the cake. You can't even mention Jesus Christ or Christmas in the schools but the school system is forcing kids to dress up like Muslims etc. One kid came home and said she was fasting because she learned in school that the koran was a holy book and she was going to follow their teachings. ugh!!!!!

    [ January 18, 2002: Message edited by: JAMES2 ]
  7. Squire Robertsson

    Squire Robertsson Administrator

    Jul 4, 2000
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    From Your Moderator
    This is a Baptist Only forum. I will not hesitate to delete posts from non-Baptists. I will do so without comment and this constitutes the only warning.
    In His Service,
    Robertsson of Lower Duxis Abbey
  8. JAMES2

    JAMES2 New Member

    Nov 16, 2001
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    I don't regard ALL Muslims as having the same views. That would be foolish. However, I do regard ALL of them as being part of a false religion and a religion that does tremendous harm in whatever country they seize control of.

    It seems that wherever they are in power, the country is backward, dictatorial, no freedom of worship, press, no rights for women, no tolerance of different views, state run television,and generally a extremely intolerant attitude toward anyone who disagrees with them.

    Maybe those observations are not correct, but it seems to me they are not too far off. Even in some of those countries that we saved their ---- they seem like a money-mad, terrorists supporting bunch of 7th century lunatics.

    I am puzzled why anyone who claims to be Christian would be defending this totally false religion, whether in the name of tolerance or otherwise.

    [ January 19, 2002: Message edited by: JAMES2 ]
  9. wester

    wester Guest

    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I am puzzled why anyone who claims to be Christian would be defending this totally false religion, whether in the name of tolerance or otherwise.

    What do you mean by defending? President Bush often has kind words to say about Muslims. I don't think his remarks are at all out of line. I know several Muslims and they are normal people. There are some Muslim fanatics, but then they don't have a monopoly on fanaticism.
  10. JAMES2

    JAMES2 New Member

    Nov 16, 2001
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    Would you go back and reread my post. I didn't say every Muslim was a looney tune. I just said they are part of a false religion.

    As for Bush, he's a politican. He has to talk out of both sides of his mouth -- kind of like all the so-called "Christians" at that disgusting "prayer service" in the National Cathedral for the Sept. 11 victims of the mass-murder.(Not individual persons, but who they represented, obviously with their particular denominations approval).

    I would never attack anyone personally, just their philosophy, theology, politics and religion. After all, this is an opinion board -- kind of where you would expect to see opinions stated.

    Let's keep this in the battle of ideas, not persons. By the way, what do you mean by what do I mean "defend" Muslins? I use the normal definition of the word. I hear Islam being defended in the media, talk shows, etc, all the time. And like I said by some Christians that think we are to compromise the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ so we can be seen as "tolerant" by others. Sorry, I'm not the politically correct type and I am most certainly not "tolerant" of falsehood. Like I said, let's keep the battle in the arena of ideas, not persons. I believe I have done that.

    [ January 21, 2002: Message edited by: JAMES2 ]
  11. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

    Feb 7, 2002
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    Still is a great article. [​IMG]