Must you acknowledge Absolute Authority of Rabbis

Allan · Sep 28, 2007

This was sent to me by Bismark in the Baptist Board PM. I'm not sure why he did not post it but I don't see any harm in putting forth to debate:

Must you acknowledge Absolute Authority of Rabbis (=modern-day Pharisees)?

Sponsored by Israel, there is a burgeoning Noahide movement emerging in the world today. The word Noahide refers to the covenant of Seven Noahide Commandments given by YHWH-God to Noah after the flood, and sealed by the sign of the rainbow (Gen 9).

The Plain Reading of Genesis 9:1-5 specifies
(1) "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth" (vv.1,7)
(2) Stewardship of all animal life (v.2)
(3) Authorization to eat meat, but not with blood (vv.3-4)
(4) Prohibition of murder, of either man or beast (vv.5-6)

However, the rainbow has seven colors, and Rabbinic interpretation of these and other passages has developed the Noahide Covenant into a set of seven laws. All Goyim ("Gentiles") are Children of Noah, and are thus bound by YHWH-God's authority to obey the Commandments of the Noahide Covenant — as interpreted by the Rabbis.

Goyim ("Gentiles") who obey the Noahide Commandments, as interpreted by their Rabbis, are called "Righteous Gentiles" and "God-Fearing".

The principal introduction, intended for a Goyim ("Gentile") audience, is The Path of the Righteous Gentile by Chaim Clorfene and Yakov Rogalsky. These authorities write:

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By observing the Seven Noahide Commandments, a Gentile fulfills the purpose of his creation and receives a share of the World to Come, the blessed spiritual world of the righteous.

The hurdle that must be cleared in preparation for observing the Seven Noahide Commandments is the acceptance of the idea that mankind's way to the Father is through the rabbis. Rebellion against the sanctity of rabbinic authority and tradition has been with us since those first days in the Wilderness of Sinai when the followers of Korah led a revolt against absolute rabbinic authority, as we learn in the Torah...

"And the earth opened her mouth and swallowed them and their houses and all the men that were for Korah and all their wealth. And they went down, they and all who were for them, alive into the pit; and the earth closed over them and they disappeared from the midst of the congregation" (Num 16:32,33).
The lessons of the Torah are eternal as wee see by all those down through the ages who have emulated the actions of Korah and his band.

When God gave the Torah to the Jewish people on Mount Sinai, the people all accepted the written Torah willingly, but God had to lift the mountain over their heads and threaten to drop it on them to persuade them to accept the Oral Torah, that is, the rabbinic interpretation of the Hebrew Scriptures. If the Jews had difficulty in accepting the Oral Torah as no less divine than the scriptures themselves, how much more difficult must it be for non-Jews. But accept the rabbis they must, for the source of understanding the Seven Noahide Commandments is found in the Talmud and the later rabbinic writings, and nowhere else...

This [is] the true universal religion in which Israel, the Jewish people, is the priest and the Children of Noah, the righteous Gentiles, its faithful laymen.

Now, Jesus says in Matthew 23:2-3, "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe".

Therefore, all Goyim ("Gentiles") must acknowledge the absolute authority of the Rabbis, and be "faithful laymen" to Israel and World Jewry ("the Jewish people"). Resistance to absolute Rabbinic authority will mark you as a "Son of Korah" bound for "the pit" of sheol (hell), and will deny you any share in the World to Come. As with Korah, your doom will be a witness to your sin.

The learned Jewish scholar, Walter Ziffer [1], echoes this further, proudly saying that Jews were intimately involved in the Russian Revolution, progressive movements, and are deeply concerned about the "proper behavior" of Gentiles.

I have quoted, directly and exactly, to the point of preserving capitalization, the words of Chaim Clorfene and Yakov Rogalsky, written under the guidance of Rabbi Mendel Feldman. Rabbi Feldman says, in the preface, "the authors, both of whom I know to conscientious and God-fearing, have done a praise-worthy job". Thus, their words speak with absolute Rabbinic authority.

Therefore, it would seem that Christians are duty-bound to acknowledge the absolute authority of the Rabbis, and obey them appropriately.

Reference:
[1] http://www.krusch.com/bethisrael/
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David Lamb · Sep 28, 2007

Allan said:

This was sent to me by Bismark in the Baptist Board PM. I'm not sure why he did not post it but I don't see any harm in putting forth to debate:
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Yes, I got it to, and sent him a reply asking why he had sent it to me as a PM. I haven't had an answer yet.

Allan · Sep 28, 2007

David Lamb said:

Yes, I got it to, and sent him a reply asking why he had sent it to me as a PM. I haven't had an answer yet.
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I basically stated I have no authority but Christ to submit to.
That I will not come under the bondage of the Law when I have been freed in Christ.

As far as I see it, the only ABSOLUTE authority I am bound to acknowledge and obey is Christ my Lord, and not the modern day pharisees (as he puts it).

ReformedBaptist · Sep 28, 2007

Allen,

Thank you for exposing this most grievous error.

David Lamb · Sep 28, 2007

Allan said:

I basically stated I have no authority but Christ to submit to.
That I will not come under the bondage of the Law when I have been freed in Christ.

As far as I see it, the only ABSOLUTE authority I am bound to acknowledge and obey is Christ my Lord, and not the modern day pharisees (as he puts it).
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I agree. (And I still have heard nothing from Bismark to explain why he sent the stuff about "Noahide Commandments" and Jewish Rabbis to me, and to Allan, as a PM).

Incidentally, I tried a Google search for the strange term "Noahide", and it brought up a lot of anti-Christian sites. The first sentence of the first "hit" boldly and blasphemously stated, in anser to the question "Who was Jesus":

The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d.

Then I did a search for what to me is the more usual term, "Noahic", and that brought up mainly Christian sites.

Lastly, I am not sure if Bismark is agreeing with all this Noahide nonsense, or writing against it, but it seems the former, as he ends his OP:

Therefore, it would seem that Christians are duty-bound to acknowledge the absolute authority of the Rabbis, and obey them appropriately.

ReformedBaptist · Sep 28, 2007

Perhaps Bismarck will now do us the courtesy of declaring his true faith?

rbell · Sep 28, 2007

Yeah....we used to have four of them. They were so cute! They nibbled on hay everyday, and would let you rub their heads, and....

Oh...rabbis.....I thought Bismark said "Absolute authority of rabbits."

Nevermind.

ReformedBaptist · Sep 28, 2007

rbell said:

Yeah....we used to have four of them. They were so cute! They nibbled on hay everyday, and would let you rub their heads, and....

Oh...rabbis.....I thought Bismark said "Absolute authority of rabbits."

Nevermind.
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What a card! (in the famous words of Bugs Bunny) :laugh:

Jkdbuck76 · Sep 29, 2007

ReformedBaptist said:

Perhaps Bismarck will now do us the courtesy of declaring his true faith?
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Don't hold your breath....

AAA · Oct 2, 2007

David Lamb said:

I agree. (And I still have heard nothing from Bismark to explain why he sent the stuff about "Noahide Commandments" and Jewish Rabbis to me, and to Allan, as a PM).

Incidentally, I tried a Google search for the strange term "Noahide", and it brought up a lot of anti-Christian sites. The first sentence of the first "hit" boldly and blasphemously stated, in anser to the question "Who was Jesus":

The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to test our faith in G-d.

Then I did a search for what to me is the more usual term, "Noahic", and that brought up mainly Christian sites.

Lastly, I am not sure if Bismark is agreeing with all this Noahide nonsense, or writing against it, but it seems the former, as he ends his OP:

Therefore, it would seem that Christians are duty-bound to acknowledge the absolute authority of the Rabbis, and obey them appropriately.
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N/t......tagged....

David Lamb · Oct 2, 2007

AAA said:

N/t......tagged....
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Sorry, AAA, but what does that mean?

Alcott · Oct 2, 2007

Since it is unscriptural to call anyone "Rabbi" or to allow oneself to be called such (Matthew 23:6-8), all this is a pile of rotted corn.

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