My review of the Passion of the Christ

Also, I don't mean to say that the "Catholic" elements will be the source of division among Christians, at least not the majority of them, only the "intellectuals" like White will have a problem with it. The main dividing factor will be the violence and the second commandment.

 

You don't say!

 

Then maybe you were confused when you said "White didn't do that".

 

Quoted by LaRae?
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Hmmm ok I guess I can talk about it! I am still trying to figure out what was up with that 'baby' the satan character was carrying???
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I don't remember this did anyone else see/read it?

Music4Him

[ February 28, 2004, 10:26 AM: Message edited by: Gina L ]

 

You are simply reflecting your own stereotyping - not objectivity.

I think the point "remains".

The simple fact that Mary is depicted as being in sorrow over the suffering of Jesus is not going to "divide" groups.

Lack of attention to "detail"? lack of "objectivity"? Yes that might cause division and open doors wide - to error.

I will have a chance to see the film soon. Maybe there is "something else", something "of substance" that is "uniquely Catholic" about the Movie that might tend to some RC-oriented criticism.

However, I am certain that the fact that Mary is the Mother of Jesus - is not one of them.

In Christ,

Bob

 

We saw the movie just a few hours ago. All I can say is, well eh!...I'm just lost for words. I can't wait for it to come out on DVD. I want to watch it again where I can listen to what they are saying and read it at the same time.

My neck is 'broke' from stretching to see over people's heads. The captions were so low. I wish they would have used the English language.

BTW, we couldn't understand, for sure, what the baby bit was all about, in that Satan character's arms either.

MEE

[ February 28, 2004, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: Gina L ]

 

Well Bob, I will certainly look forward to your comments on the film and I mean this honestly.

 

We saw the movie just a few hours ago. All I can say is, well eh!...I'm just lost for words. I can't wait for it to come out on DVD. I want to watch it again where I can listen to what they are saying and read it at the same time.

My neck is 'broke' from stretching to see over people's heads. The captions were so low. I wish they would have used the English language.

BTW, we couldn't understand, for sure, what the baby bit was all about, in that Satan character's arms either.

MEE </font>[/QUOTE]I've seen it said in the past couple days.....that the satan character and the baby represent the antithesis (sp) of the mother and child (Mary and Jesus as a baby).


LaRae

[ February 28, 2004, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: Gina L ]

 

I saw a writeup that suggests this is a reference to the "unholy family".

Is there a Catholic tradition about the "unholy family" Satan and the antichrist?

Bob

 

No. I asked him about it last night. If anything he seemed to disagree with my reason for not seeing it, and has seen it twice himself. I think his point in his blog was to show where it was inconsistant with scripture and also what parts were inconsistant with scripture and pointed toward Catholocism. Not being Catholic, I'd expect him to point out to Christians where it's showing Catholic doctrine and be unaccepting of it, while I'd expect a Catholic to be pleased with such things in the film.
In the end he doesn't say "don't go see this film". He says

(taken from http://www.aomin.org)
Gina

 

Just a note: No words were edited out of posts. I edited to reduce the squiggly lines ~~~~ because if you get too many in there it messes up the page views and makes the posts run off the edge of the page so that one has to scroll at the end of each sentence.
Gina

 

Well then, I guess I will just have to take your word for it that you have spoken to Dr. White on the subject. Yet, of course he would probably disagree with you for not seeing it. He was quite vocal about the fact that he "had" to see the movie, not because he wanted to. He "had" to see it because his ministry is about exposing blasphemy or some noble cause like that. He made this quite clear on his 2/24 DL progam but I have yet to listen to his 2/26 progam on his reaction after he actually saw the movie. Given his blog entry though there is no reason for me to suspect that he has anything different to say. His view remains that this is "a prize for Rome". This movie was simply another chance for him to attack Roman Catholicism, nothing more. There is no doubting that he equates the movie to "blasphemy". With this view, I am positive that if White directed the movie he wouldn't have had anything about Mary or the Last Supper in it at all.

 

I think you're over-reacting, but guess that's to be expected when one feels their religious beliefs are attacked.
Gina

 

Thank you Bro Adam for the insight.

Well then when the promoters that said the Passion is about the crusifixion and it was out of 4 gosples why did they put the baby/seed thing in the film? Alot of people going to this movie might not know their bibles to understand this tidbit of info.
This is why people get confused. Uggh!


Music4Him

 

Here's a verse that explains the 'baby' in the arms of satan to me:

Christ defeated satan at the cross!

Luke 23:27 And following Him was a large crowd of the people, and of women who were mourning and lamenting Him. 28 But Jesus turning to them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, stop weeping for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 "For behold, the days are coming when they will say, `Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.' 30 "Then they will begin TO SAY TO THE MOUNTAINS, `FALL ON US,' AND TO THE HILLS, `COVER US.' 31 "For if they do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?"


Diane

 

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Originally posted by Brother Adam:
Bob, the baby is a reference to the "seed" of Satan in Gen. 3:15
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Gen 3
15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.''

Christ said of the Jewish leaders "you are of your father the devil". There is a lot of support for the idea that the children of God are at odds with the world and its plans/goals/methods.

But in the battle between Christ and Satan seen in Gen 3 it is "you" (the serpent) that bruises "Him" (Christ) and it is Christ that delivers the deadly wound to Satan at the cross.

I appreciate the emphasis that Satan is really at the crucifixion - is motivating the wicked and who knows - possibly appearing in human form in the mob. Surely this is the most significant event in the battle between Satan and God.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Thank you Bro Adam for the insight.

Well then when the promoters that said the Passion is about the crusifixion and it was out of 4 gosples why did they put the baby/seed thing in the film? Alot of people going to this movie might not know their bibles to understand this tidbit of info.
This is why people get confused. Uggh!


Music4Him </font>[/QUOTE]Who's fault is it if people don't know their Bible? If nothing else maybe this will encourage people to read it, or at least to ask questions.


LaRae

 

"The Passion" could have easily been named "The Atonement". This movie is the greatest depiction of the act of atonement that has ever been made.

One man giving his life for ALL men, whether or not they believe in Him, whether or not they love, hate or anything in between, Him.

It is the depiction of the highest order of obedience that one in a body of flesh can be.

It is the one single act that enables man to have everlasting life on the basis of faith alone!