NARCISSIST IN CHIEF-Experts explain what makes Barack Obama tick

==I love how far people will go to deny the obvious. Its like someone staring at the sun complaining that they don't see any light. Why would Obama's mother/father call a news paper in a different nation to announce his birth? Do you believe his being elected president was some grand conspiracy that has been in the plot for years (even before he was born)? I pray you have not gone that far. The newspaper clipping, or as you put it, the "little newspaper clipping" shows a lot when it is put in with the rest of the facts. What facts? Little things like the state of Hawaii verifiying that Mr. Obama was indeed born there and that the copy of his birth certificate that was released matches other copies from the same period. Facts, mainly old facts on paper (ie...records), are hard to get around my friend. So the newspaper clipping proves much and I suspect that if Obama was a conservative with an "R" beside his name many of these professing conservatives who are demanding more proof would be perfectly happy with the amount of proof that has already been presented.

 

As you are doing.

We called the local paper and had my grandsons birth listed almost exactly the way the Obama announcement reads, when he was born.

No one at the paper asked where he was born. Neither did they make any attempt to verify the date.

Your argument is a specious as your "proof".

 

Here is a fact that you may not be aware of - Hawaii does not require a child to be born in Hawaii in order for them to issue a birth certificate.

"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."


Calling the newspaper in Hawaii from Kenya to publish a birth notice then makes perfect sense does it not?

 

==You ignored the context I placed the announcement in. I replied to this rather weak argument in my response to targus (see above).

 

==Considering the fact that a copy has been shown and the state of Hawaii has verified that he was born there the case should be closed. I think he should release the actual birth certificate. However I'm sure you guys would find some reason not to believe even that. After all the current evidence should convince most fair minded folks.

 

You seem to have missed post #24 above.

 

==The problem you continue to have is that the State of Hawaii says he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. They have the original birth certificate and it, and they, document that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. Put this together with the newspaper announcement and it is a closed issue.

==Why does the State of Hawaii say that Obama was born in Honolulu? Why would his parents notify two newspapers of his birth in Hawaii in 1961? Did they know he was going to run for president someday?

This whole thread/discussion is getting very silly. No, I change my mind, it is worse than silly. It is a very tragic example of how politics distorts people's thinking. If Obama was a Republican I doubt any of this would be an issue (at least among professing conservatives). In fact I can see Sean Hannity on tv defending the Republican President Obama's place of birth and Keith Olbermann questioning it. It's all about politics.

 

==Nope, we were typing at the same time.

 

Absolutely. I can produce mine (embossed seal) and so can you. I have had to produce mine for lesser things, yet Obama is above the law. In America, no one is supposed to be above the law, but that was BO (before Obama).

Martin, you just go on believing what you want to believe. And those of us, including Alan Keyes, will do the same. But don't infer we are dolts or less than honorable because we demand the BC and not a photocopy or Photoshopped copy, okay?

 

Is it true that all dictators are NARCISSIST? You know like Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, and sundry others.

 

==I will believe the facts based on the records. The copy of his birth certificate is valid according to the state of Hawaii and the copy is just as good as the original (again, according to the State of Hawaii) even in a court of law. Obama should release his original birth certificate, but not because you (and a few others) demand it. For many people in your camp even the original will not stop the conspiracy mill.

==I will infer that you folks are going beyond the law in demanding something that is not required. I will infer that you folks are being way too political since the records are clear that he was born in Hawaii in 1961. Your suggestion that it was a "Photoshopped copy" that was released is a perfect example of what I am talking about. The State of Hawaii has stated that he was born in that state and that the copy was correct. Why that is not enough proof for you I don't know. But again, I strongly suspect that if Obama was a conservative Republican many of the folks in your small camp would be defending him against the very charges they are leveling against him.

 

==Nice try. Again, the State of Hawaii has verified that he was born in that state.

 

==To call Obama, or any American President up the modern day, a dictator is to totally misapply the term. Sure Obama has more power than Clinton or Reagan but that is thanks to President George W Bush and the professing conservatives who allowed Bush to grow the size of the federal government and pass a law that allows the federal government to ignore our Constitutional Rights.

 

How long O Leftists; How long O Fascists are you going to blame everything on President Bush. obama is your hero why not give him some credit?

My understanding is that obama voted for the Law that supposedly ignores our Constitutional Rights. Now tell me which of your Constitutional rights were violated during the Bush Presidency?

Is it true that a guilty conscience needs no accuser? I did not call obama a dictator, I simply ask a question about Narcissism. You apparently believe he is well on his way to becoming one.

 

==His birth certificate is on file in Hawaii and states Honolulu as the place of birth.

Statement from the Hawaii Department of Health, here.

Amature photos of his birth certificate showing that he was born in Honolulu not Kenya, here.

News Story based on AP report from October, here.

Is this going to calm the consperacy theorists? No.

 

==That is the first time I have ever been called a "leftist". Let me assure you I am as conservative as they come. However I am also concerned with evidence and facts.

This type of smear was not unexpected though.

==Obama is not my hero nor is any politician. I did not, and I will never, vote for Barack Obama. However I believe in a little thing called fact. I'm not blaming Bush for anything other than what he did. He signed the Patriot Act which denies American citizens our constitutional right of due process. Bush signed it, Obama has not removed it, making both of them guilty of violating the United States Constitution. In my opinion both of them should be impeached for violating the Constitution they swore (unBiblically) to uphold. Every congressman/woman who voted for the Patriot Act should also be impeached. If the Constitution is the law of our land then it must be obeyed.

==None of mine personally. However that is not the issue since there are Americans, guilty or innocent, who have been denied their Constitutional rights of due process. See this article on my blog from 4/29/09. The Constitution was written to protect the American people from government tyranny. Every American citizen, accused of any crime, should be given a speedy trial by thier peers (Amendment VI to the United States Constitution). The Patriot Act is the federal government's attempt to avoid obeying the law of the land. All Americans, of every political party, should be horrified by the Patriot Act and demand its immediant repeal.

==He is no more a dictator than Bush was. Both of them have unconstitutional powers but that does not make them dictators.