NASCAR is back, part II

[Friend of God]

At least she's a prettier face then # 24:laugh: :thumbs:

 

[ccrobinson]

I think Danica would do as well in Nascar as she does in IRL.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

So basically look good, sign a lot of autographs and finish in the middle of the pack.

What about Montoya?

 

[Scott J]

I just got to see the incident. That was bad.

Come on now... It was just racin'.

FTR, Kennseth had been blocking Gordon for awhile. His car was clearly inferior so his response that Gordon would have gotten by him later is bunk. He would have kept blocking and Gordon would have eventually had to accept 2nd place or move him elsewhere.

If this had been Stewart or Junior doing it to Gordon, you guys would be declaring how Gordon should have already moved over.

I'm sorry it happened to Kennseth but as he acknowledged they were going to run out of gas anyway. In fact had he run out of gas without a caution, it is likely that his finish would have been worse.

I guess the Chicago fans didn't care too much for it either with the littered track on his victory lap. I would say that Gordon is too much of a "pretty-boy" for Chicagoland.

Good for Gordon. Its about time he stopped taking it lying down.

Interesting though, it seems that Gordon haters pretty much define their class by this type of behavior. There are plenty of people who hate Stewart, Junior, and even the Buschs who don't throw trash on the track.

 

[ccrobinson]

If this had been Stewart or Junior doing it to Gordon, you guys would be declaring how Gordon should have already moved over.

Oh, come on now. I didn't, nor did anybody else, say any such thing about how Kenseth needed to move over. If Kenseth had moved over, I would have criticized him for not fighting for the win. I'd like to remind you of this quote from Matt Kenseth.

Anybody can run into somebody and pass them.

I'm sorry it happened to Kennseth but as he acknowledged they were going to run out of gas anyway.

Since he was going to run out of gas anyway, it was Ok that Jeff punted him, eh? :smilewinkgrin:

Interesting though, it seems that Gordon haters pretty much define their class by this type of behavior. There are plenty of people who hate Stewart, Junior, and even the Buschs who don't throw trash on the track.

I would appreciate not being lumped in with the idiots who throw trash on the track.

I think Danica would do as well in Nascar as she does in IRL.

So basically look good, sign a lot of autographs and finish in the middle of the pack.

What about Montoya?

Yes, that's my expectation of Danica in Nascar.

Although JPM will be joining an inferior team, I believe he'll win races and elevate the team to one of the top teams. He's one of the best F1 drivers, having won 7 races in 5 years, during a time when Ferrari and Michael Schumacher have just dominated F1. In F1, the car makes the team more than the driver. When you have the car like Ferrari has had, wins are hard to come by for everybody else. In Nascar, the driver makes the team more than the car.

Does anybody remember the "Tradin Paint" publicity stunt that Gordon and JPM did at Indy in 2003? Gordon drove JPM's F1 car and JPM drove Gordon's Chevy, and they both did very well. That doesn't prove that JPM will do well, but it shows that a racer is a racer. The techniques of driving are the same, it's the application of those techniques that are different from series to series.

BTW, make no mistake, Jeff Gordon is talented enough that he could have raced in F1 and done well. It's impossible to say whether he could have challenged Schumacher's brilliance, but I think Gordon could have won F1 races had he gone that route.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Come on now... It was just racin'.

FTR, Kennseth had been blocking Gordon for awhile. His car was clearly inferior so his response that Gordon would have gotten by him later is bunk. He would have kept blocking and Gordon would have eventually had to accept 2nd place or move him elsewhere.

If this had been Stewart or Junior doing it to Gordon, you guys would be declaring how Gordon should have already moved over.

I'm sorry it happened to Kennseth but as he acknowledged they were going to run out of gas anyway. In fact had he run out of gas without a caution, it is likely that his finish would have been worse. Good for Gordon. Its about time he stopped taking it lying down.

Interesting though, it seems that Gordon haters pretty much define their class by this type of behavior. There are plenty of people who hate Stewart, Junior, and even the Buschs who don't throw trash on the track.

Funny how perspective changes when it is Gordon doing the knocking instead of Stewart. :laugh:

I do find it rather harsh that you would state that people who do not like Gordon define their class in that manner. I think throwing trash on the track is awful and I would never participate in any such act.

Ahhh well, hopefully soon we will be able to hear the greatest words in racing again.."Gordon is in the wall..":thumbs:

 

[ccrobinson]

Ahhh well, hopefully soon we will be able to hear the greatest words in racing again.."Gordon is in the wall..":thumbs:

:laugh:

Music to my ears!


I found this on thatsracin.com today.

"I think that anybody honestly that's watched more than two or three races in their lives and watches replay knows that he meant to spin me out," Kenseth said of Gordon's bump on Lap 264 that took Kenseth out of the lead in the race.

"My car was pushing so bad, you had to hit it pretty hard to spin it out.

"The weird thing is he would have passed me the next lap anyway. He was catching me so fast. You can clearly see, we got in the corner, we both got on the gas, he just picked up on the gas, kind of like earlier, and drove me over. I think it was intentional, but doesn't really matter what I think."

Kenseth also was unmoved by Gordon's apology after Gordon went on to win the race.
"Yeah, he looked sorry when he was out there doing ‘doughnuts,'" Kenseth said. He looked real sorry."

I added the bold, btw.

Kenseth's quote from March is even more applicable today.

Anybody can run into somebody and pass them.

 

[Scott J]

Funny how perspective changes when it is Gordon doing the knocking instead of Stewart. :laugh:

Yep. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Maybe Gordon's new willingness to reciprocate will discourage people who don't want to trade dnf's with him. I'm glad he's finally coming to the realization that if you let people wreck you out or rough you up and do nothing about it... they'll keep doing it. It's about time.

He's more or less sent the message through words and now actions that he'd rather race clean but he'll get dirty if that's what you ask for.

I actually don't think Kennseth did anything wrong. Maybe poor judgment from a points perspective but OTOH he is firmly in the Chase. He took a chance and lost. He probably guessed that Gordon wouldn't have the nerve to mess with him while on suspension so he could basically use Gordon to keep other good cars off his bumper.

Also, Kennseth and many others have taken taps like that without wrecking. My guess is that Gordon's willingness to do it took Kennseth off guard.

I guess the question is "Was it really necessary?" Kennseth is trying to garner sympathy by saying that it wasn't but if Gordon hadn't done it then he'd have had to do it later... and there is no guarantee that he would get there later.

I do find it rather harsh that you would state that people who do not like Gordon define their class in that manner. I think throwing trash on the track is awful and I would never participate in any such act.

Who else's "haters" behave in such a way? Even though you and others might not do it, you are in agreement with the types who do.

Ahhh well, hopefully soon we will be able to hear the greatest words in racing again.."Gordon is in the wall..":thumbs:

You bet.

Actually, I think those words might be longer in coming now that he's shown that he'll give as much as he gets. I probably wouldn't want to be Biffle right now. I imagine Gordon has something for him after his idiocy at Daytona.

Actually, I am more encouraged about the overall effort of the 24 team than I have been in awhile. We could have easily been talking about 3 in a row and Gordon coming up off the deck.

 

[Scott J]

"I think that anybody honestly that's watched more than two or three races in their lives and watches replay knows that he meant to spin me out," Kenseth said of Gordon's bump on Lap 264 that took Kenseth out of the lead in the race.

Even the announcers were talking about how it wasn't much of a hit.

"My car was pushing so bad, you had to hit it pretty hard to spin it out.

Yep. That's why you couldn't even tell Gordon's bumper had made contact with anything. The replay showed that he barely touched him... and NASCAR agreed that it wasn't anything extraordinary.

"The weird thing is he would have passed me the next lap anyway.

Really? I'd say the really weird thing is that a guy who was holding off a better car by blocking feels put out when he gets bumped... while he thought an empty apology was all he needed when he wrecked Gordon while his own car was not clearly better.

He was catching me so fast. You can clearly see, we got in the corner, we both got on the gas, he just picked up on the gas, kind of like earlier, and drove me over. I think it was intentional, but doesn't really matter what I think."

That kind of makes Gordon's case doesn't it? If it had happened earlier and Gordon had let Kennseth get by with blocking him... exactly why did he think Gordon should have known that he would have passed him on the next lap?

Kenseth also was unmoved by Gordon's apology after Gordon went on to win the race.
"Yeah, he looked sorry when he was out there doing ‘doughnuts,'" Kenseth said. He looked real sorry."

What did he expect? Who has foregone their victory lap to apologize?

 

[ccrobinson]

Who else's "haters" behave in such a way? Even though you and others might not do it, you are in agreement with the types who do.

What, that we don't like Gordon? Not liking Gordon means we get lumped in with the morons who throw trash on the track? Give me a break, Scott.

You didn't like Dale Earnhardt, right? When Dale Earnhardt wrecked in the 1994 Winston, he was up against the outside wall and some stupid fans poured beer on him. Do we get to lump you in with those fans?

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Who else's "haters" behave in such a way? Even though you and others might not do it, you are in agreement with the types who do.

Scott, now come on. This is one of the most ridiculous statements ever made on this sports forum.

You have ever right to cheer for and support Gordon. But you have no reason to make such statements. And as ccr pointed out, I guess this lumps you with any idiot out there that hates on Stewart, Dale Jr, Dale Sr, etc and all of their moronic actions over the years.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

By Scott's logic in other posts Kennseth will have every right to run Gordon into the wall this week.

 

[swaimj]

I missed the race on Sunday, but I got to see a re-run on SPEED channel today. I saw the Kenseth-Gordon incident once in real-time and once in slow motion. I felt that Kenseth probably got the air off his spoiler from the car to his outside (42, I think) and, while Gordon did hit him, the air from the 42 had as much to do with the spin as Gordon's hit. That's my opinion and I saw the same thing you saw!!!

 

[PastorSBC1303]

Sorry swaim I dont buy it. You have been one of the biggest proponents on this board of clean driving and the fact that you like Kahne so much because he drives a clean race without bumping. Can't you just admit the fact that Gordon ran someone over?

 

[swaimj]

Sorry, but I think Kenseth got loose while passing the 42 and slowed suddenly. Gordon's contact was inadvertant. If FOX had been covering the race they could have shown the speeds and it would have bourne out my theory

 

[PastorSBC1303]

When Gordon loses a race, it is never about another driver "outdriving" him, but always about Gordon getting cheated or something.

When Gordon clearly knocks someone out of his way to win a race, it is someone else that caused it. Obviously Gordon would never drive like that.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Scott J]

What, that we don't like Gordon? Not liking Gordon means we get lumped in with the morons who throw trash on the track? Give me a break, Scott.

No. It puts you on the same side of the issue. Maybe you and SBC posted something about the lack of class of those who did this before starting in on Gordon... but I didn't see it.

You didn't like Dale Earnhardt, right?

No. But I respected him and really felt grief when he died.

When Dale Earnhardt wrecked in the 1994 Winston, he was up against the outside wall and some stupid fans poured beer on him. Do we get to lump you in with those fans?

Sure... except I don't drink beer.

 

[Scott J]

Sorry swaim I dont buy it. You have been one of the biggest proponents on this board of clean driving and the fact that you like Kahne so much because he drives a clean race without bumping. Can't you just admit the fact that Gordon ran someone over?

Watched the replay yesterday afternoon as well. Up until then I had only seen the ESPN highlights and heard it while driving to church.

Swaim is absolutely correct. That was not a hard hit and came no where close to the one Kennseth laid on Gordon. That tap was very recoverable. If Kennseth does no worse to Gordon... he'll probably save it since he'll be expecting it now.

I think Kennseth spun out because he wasn't expecting Gordon to ride him hard. He probably figured he could block him the rest of the race since Gordon is on probation because of an altercation with him.

I've seen Kennseth save it on much worse hits than that.

 

[Scott J]

When Gordon loses a race, it is never about another driver "outdriving" him, but always about Gordon getting cheated or something.

When Gordon clearly knocks someone out of his way to win a race, it is someone else that caused it. Obviously Gordon would never drive like that.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Yes. Like the revisionism of Gordon haters.:thumbs:

Gordon by no means "knocked" him out of the way. The replays showed that there was hardly any contact at all. Further, had Gordon slammed on the brakes and lost his momentum when Kennseth slowed down, there is no guarantee whatsoever that he'd have caught him again before the end of the race. He could've gotten caught up behind the 42 or even fell back into a challenge by the 31.

FTR, I hope Gordon has enough sense to get out of someone's way and preserve a top 5 when a guy cuts a huge lead down in about 5 laps. Kennseth could have pulled over and let him go. He didn't. He made a choice to try to win by blocking Gordon. I respect that but it didn't work out for him.

OTOH, Kennseth wasn't better than Gordon in the earlier incident. The only way he was going to get by him was to wreck him out.

 

[PastorSBC1303]

You guys continously remind me of why I dislike Gordon so much.

Gordon must be the most perfect driver to ever race.

No one ever out drives him.

When he does get dirty, it is not really his fault.

Must be nice to be on such a high pedastal.

Everyone is out to get him, which can only be the reason why such a perfect driver has not won more championships recently.