Navy releases McCain's military record

Giving sacrifically??? He was captured. He didn't volunteer. He followed in Dad's and Grand Dad's footsteps. He didn't choose the Navy, the Navy chose him before birth... It was, "in his blood" though he did everything he could to blow it...

But your second point is well, I wouldn't vote for anyone who volunteered to be a POW...!! That would prove a NUT!!! :thumbs:

 

Ok, since this is not an Obama bash then I will ask this.

What proof do you have that Obama, not his wife, not his Pastor or XPastor, Obama is not loyal to America?

 

If John McCain is such a hero and American patriot and all then why is working to facilitate the subjugation of the USA to world government bodies? Doesn't seem very heroic and patriotic to me. Seems like a cold slap in the face of all those who served this country to keep it free and independent.

 

Would a loyal American knowingly break the law of the land to please people? He does. And he's an alleged constitutional lawyer. I'm speaking of foreign aid now. He being a constitutional lawyer and all knows it's unconstitutional but he promises to hand it out all over the world anyway.

That's not being a loyal American. Same goes for his eagerness to merge the USA with "world bodies" same goes for his not telling us about our military being merged with Mexico and Canada's military. Same goes for his endorsing legislation that usurps the fouth amendment. If he was serious about the oath he swore to protect and defend the constitution then he wouldn't be all for usurping it.

Same goes for McCain and Clinton.

Loyal Americans don't do these things.

 

I will buy that.
I do not think Obama has no love for the USA.
It's just not his time, yet.

And if for some reason he becomes president, well, all that comes to mind is a fruit plucked out of the tree before it is ripe.

 

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Agreed. He did suffer as a POW and no one is taking anything away from that, but your other points are well taken and something we should be questioning.

 

All I know about his record is that he served and was a pow. I'd thank the man for his service in person if given the chance but I won't let it blind me to things he's done after that. Service and loyalty to your country (not to be confused with governemt and party) is a lifelong thing it doesn't end when you muster out imho.

He agreed when he took the job as a public servant that he would defend and protect the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, so did Obama, so did Clinton, so did Huckabee, so did Ron Paul so did they all. Now which one of these has consistantly honored that pledge? That would be the loyal American. Now compare all the others to that one. How do they differ?

 

Even as a democrat I have always admired John McCain's sacrifice for our country. Regardless of his past Naval history, he was a POW and he did refuse to leave his men behind. The question I do have is whether or not this affected his mental ability to lead our country. It may not have, but honestly, I don't know.

 

He's going to a La Raza convention and is silent about the OAS and it's fledgling "continental security forces" (Carry over from another thread sorry couldn't be avoided) isn't he? Have you ever heard him or any of the others speak about these well, I don't know what you call them but I say important issues. I'd say he got bonked on the noggin some where along the line but good because loyal Americans don't do what he's doing.

By loyal American I mean indivduals loyal to the United States of America as the free and independent constitutional republic it was established as and not a subservient nation state in a regional democracy. [1]

Remember this from back before UNESCO took responsibility to teach our children back?

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Do you see any regional or leagues of democracies in there anywhere? I don't.

 

LaBuick: //Calling McCain a hero is an insult to all the true hero's, espacially those who paid the ultimate cost.//

McCain, a living person, represents well those who did give their lives for our country. The dead cannot serve as president.

 

Those who died, (loyal Americans) gave their lives defending the independence and sovereignty of these United States of America. John McCain lives to destroy that. His own words and actions give him away.

He's using their sacrifices for selfish political purposes and in so doing is spitting on their graves. Not only that but he is ever willing to send more loyal and honorable but naive young American men and women to their graves under false pretenses to attain his master's goal of world government.

No where to my knowledge has the Hegelian Dialectic been more obvious and close to the surface than with these three (Obama, Clinton and McCain) useful idiots and facilitators of the NWO.

These aren't loyal Americans friends they're traitors of the vilest sort. They pose as loyal Americans playing on our emotions and relying on our national ignorance to work their underhanded and deceptive deeds upon us all.

They are in fact, words and action loyal to globalism. Not the United States of America.

 

I repeat. The military will not release ALL of his military records due to a FOIA request. Only McCain can authorize it.

That is not a comment on what may or may not be there. It's simply a fact readers of this info need to know.

 

There's no need to know any more about him than what can be found in his public records imho. It tells it like it is.

 

I agree, i don't think there is any more damaging than Wright in his records. I know he had a really good time in his early years (pre-POW) but what twenty something year old jet pilot wouldn't?

 

I don't even care what he did in his twenties. The only record I'm looking at is his political one. What he did before he became the sellout globalist he is makes no difference to me.

 

Holding back leads to stress, let us know how you really feel...

 

McCain's military service was honorable.

He's not making a big campaign issue of it and he did not turn traitor when he returned home.

That's the end of that subject for me.

 

What is your source for this?

Actually, the official investigation determined that an electrical fault caused the rocket to fire, flying across the carrier deck, and hitting McCain's plane (or a plane nearby) that was fully loaded with fuel and ordnance (he was waiting to take off) causing a chain reaction. If the rocket came from somewhere else and hit McCain's plane, it's pretty clear that the incident didn't happen as you claim.

Probably because it didn't happen that way. You haven't posted any evidence for your assertions and everything I rechecked last night told a very different story. (I knew a bit about the tragedy on the USS Forrestal long before I read your accusatory post.)

There's a good overview of the Forrestal tragedy on Wikipedia.

Here's one of the many Navy sites on the tragedy.

And here's a Navy analysis of the reasons for the tragedy.

Do you have one shred of evidence that supports your public accusation that McCain is responsible for the death of 141 people? Do you have the integrity to admit that you were wrong if you don't?

 

If you don't vote for McCain, it shouldn't be because you've been told falsehoods. Apparently McCain had nothing to do with causing the tragedy on the USS Forrestal, despite highly questionable assertions to the contrary.