Navy Surgeon Sounds the Alarm

True, and there may be a 30% rate of alzheimers after 2 years also. POINT is "WE DON'T KNOW"!!!!!
I fail to see the (??)confusion (??)about this fact!!

 

I have no fear whatsoever keeping me awake at night, & I am in the category deemed at risk because of age. I imagine I would be a lot more sleepless, if I had been vaxed, but that’s just me. Just stop with your fear mongering.

 

I disagree.
Medicine is always about "what ifs", if the motto, "Do No Harm" is seriously believed and practiced.

As Christians, the rule is, "Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself.".

I'm sorry, but my opinion is that the pharmaceutical companies are playing with fire here,
and I'm not not willing to risk my health on any vaccine that has the history that these do...

Which is to say, "not enough history".

Perhaps someday,
but in my mind, I keep coming back to this ( and please correct me if I'm in error, but it seems to me that you're in favor of not only vaccine mandates, but these mRNA / DNA technologies as well )...

Maybe, instead of continuing on with this technology and mandating vaccines that are using it, the powers-that-be should re-considering their big push for the current ones that don't prevent the spread of variants, and instead be be "throttling back" and letting the people decide for themselves whether or not they should take advantage of something that essentially provokes one's cells to do something un-naturally, Jon.

This stuff is again, still in its relative infancy,
and I see no rational reason for the world's governments to be going ahead full-steam in the manner that they currently are.

 

I have no idea who she is.

Let me se if I get this straight...

A U.S. Navy veteran like myself, who has been vaccinated with just about everything under the sun and is advising caution because the entire treatment of this pandemic ( which has an across-the-board survival rate of more than 97+% ) by a world that is teetering on the edge of irrational fear ( not to mention the fast-tracking of a bio-technology that has been, until this past year, largely unproven anywhere in the world ), is an "anti-vaxxer" to you?

I'm sorry sir, but your comment amazes me.

Please, for the sake of civility, stop labeling people who disagree with you on this matter with something that is fast-turning into an insult.
I am not against vaccines in general...

I am against this "technology".

 

Thank you for the information.
That said, I have the right to make my own decisions about all of this without someone ridiculing me for being cautious by labeling me as an "Anti-Vaxxer".

Andre,
I implore you to cease ridiculing people that you don't even personally know ( and exhibiting what amounts to unChristian behavior in my mind ), just because they're not in full agreement with you;
Or with authorities who are pushing these new "vaccines" on the public, using what seems to be every method under the sun ( short of full-on coercion ) to get their goals met...

Which aren't even realistically achievable given the fact that the emerging variants are fast-making the original vaccines almost useless at keeping people from getting sick.

At the end of the day, we can agree to disagree amiably,
or you can take the "high ground" and paint everyone who advises caution ( and even supports a more wholistic approach to treating this respiratory illness ) and accuse them of being "Anti-Vaxxers" in some sort of over-powered effort at shaming them into giving in.

Respectfully,
I've never paid much attention to the negative rhetoric coming from those who advocate that everyone get these vaccines,
and the more pressure is put on me to "conform or be relegated to secondary citizen status", the more I'm going to know that there's another agenda being pushed in all of this...

and it's not my health and well-being because they care about me as a person.

 

You have attacked the credibility of every Dr put before you who is critical of continuing the vaccines. Your methods are not Christian, & yet you pull that out on anyone who has had enough of your boorish behavior. You pick, & twist until people are exasperated, at which time they will get themselves banned, or simply leave. When they leave, do I see any contrition on your part? No. I think someone said ‘dancing on graves’. That entertained you. Not the kind of Christian I was expecting to moderate this board.

 

If it's that, then I'll agree with him and take another look.
However, I get the feeling that with some people, any source will be discredited and labeled as "pro-conspiracy-theorist" if it goes against the current tide.

Agreed.

Honestly, I haven't paid that much attention to the sources on either side,
preferring to do my own research and look at this as objectively as possible.

That's why I think it behooves us to double check all of the sources,
as just about anyone can say anything these days, come across as authoritative, and hardly anyone will catch it unless they dig into things for themselves.

 

If people post ridiculous material, ridicule is fully merited.

You, of course, are engaging in speculation when you attribute a "just because they do not agree with you" motive to me. How do you know what my motives are? For my part, I will declare that my motives are to serve as a counterbalance to the surfeit of misinformation about covid and the vaccines that we see in this forum.

This is not really true in any reasonable sense.

 

Not by those professing Christ, it isn't.
We have a standard that is set in place by the Lord, and if you take it seriously, then ridicule about any subject and for any reason is off the table.

You may see yourself justified, but where I come from,
it's "conduct unbecoming" and without merit of any kind to cast another person in an inferior light because they disagree with me on a given subject.

This will be my last reply in this thread.

I've already been far too vocal on this, and outside of doctrinal subjects and encouraging Christians to believe God's words and to trust Him for their deliverance, I prefer to be silent unless I believe the topic deserves an answer.

I see something going on over and above a general push for the health and well-being of people during this pandemic,
but I cannot prove it.
All I can do is sit by and watch as people are subjected to language and treatment that even 30 years ago, in America and in other parts of the world, would not have been tolerated by the vast majority of the citizens in those places.

I find it to be a sign of the times that we are in, and it distresses me to know that what I'm seeing is humanity at its fast-becoming worse.


May God bless you Andre, and all who read this.

 

What about the insane number of out-and-out lies that are promoted here? People flood this site with links to crazy conspiracy theory sites, one nuttier than the next.

We will have to agree to disagree - I think the degree to which truth has taken a beating here merits a vigorous response.

 

You have the ability to silence just one of them.

 

Decide for themselves?

When you decide "for yourself" to not get vaccinated, and then go out if public and breathe around, you are very much making a decision for everyone in that public space.

And unnatural?

Since when is being "natural" a necessary feature of a medical technology?

Manufacturing stents and inserting them into veins is decidedly not "natural", yet it saves lives.