News: Yemen: Muslim Extremists Kills 3 Baptist American Doctors

THAT's why I can't stand the idea of muslim postage stamps in America....I'll say it again...These radicals are a product of bad religion combined with the militant culture that Islam does such a great job of nourturing.

whether they intend to or not - Islam breads hatred

 

What do Yemeni Muslim terrorists have to do with American Muslim citizens?

 

The religion that they share is the common ground John. While I agree that many muslim's in america are totally harmless they share in a demonic religion that teaches terror and destruction.
Murph

 

So tragic, but praise God they are going HOME now.

 

American Muslims would disagree with you.

 

Pray for the families, but at the same time rejoice with those who are now walking on streets of GOLD at this very moment.

 

American Muslims would disagree with you.[/QB][/QUOTE]

What part of my statement would they dissagree with, that most american muslims are harmless or that as muslims they share a common religion with blood thirsty terrorists who feel their religion ordains the killing of the infidels?
Murph

 

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What part of my statement would [American Muslims] dissagree with, that most american muslims are harmless or that as muslims they share a common religion with blood thirsty terrorists who feel their religion ordains the killing of the infidels?
Murph

If we as Baptists can freely separate ourselves from those Christians who have committed acts of violence in the name of Christianity, then we must allow Muslims to do the same, let we be hypocrites.

American Muslims have denounced the actions of those who commit such acts, as have we with Christians who have done the same.

[ December 30, 2002, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

John I am not about bashing muslims but the point I feel you aren't getting is that when someone who claims to be a Christian is destructive they are not acting according to God's word. But the muslim religion is fathered by satan so anything it teaches is suspect. A comparison between muslim extremists and extremists who claim to be christian is unconvincing.
Murph

 

First, Islam being fathered by Satan is strictly a matter of opinion, let's remember that. While I don't believe that Islam is on a par with Christianity, I don't believe that it is fathered by Satan. To do so, frankly, give Satan too much glory, something which Christians have been frequently quilty of (myself included).

Second, comparing Mulim extremists with Christian extremists is perfectly appropriate. You say that Christian extremists aren't true Christians because they aren't acting in the christian spirit. Muslims, especially American Muslims, have consistently been saying that Muslim extremists aren't true Muslims because they're not acting in the muslim spirit. But you seem to know more about Islam than they do.

Personally, I think that many Christians want Islam to be the work of Satan, because it gives Christians a target to shoot at. You say you're not about bashing Muslims, but you've consitently edited posts that speak well of Islam, while letting posts that bash Islam go unfetterred. ** claim removed awaiting reference***

[ December 30, 2002, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]

 

when you compare Christian atrocities to Islamic atrocities, can you give us some current events

Shall I start with the Catholic/Protestant conflict in Ireland? How's about the way we here in the US, a great percentage of whom were Baptists, treated blacks in the 60's, and even the 70's?

 

God disagrees with you. Your argument is no longer with us...its with Him

John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Islam is a lie, therefore Islams Father is Satan.

[ December 30, 2002, 06:18 PM: Message edited by: AdoptedByGod ]

 

Just curious. Are you saying it's okay for Christians to commit atrocities? You seem to have dismissed the ones I listed without addressing them. The 70's was in my lifetime, and, even if it was too long ago for you to take seriously, it deserves repentence, don't you think?

 

Of the 7,000 hate crime incidents reported to the FBI last year:

60% were motivated by race. Of these, about 45% were anti-black, 30% were anti-white, 5% directed against Asian-Americans or Pacific Islanders, 5% were directed against multi-racial groups, and about 4% were directed against Native Americans or Alaskan Natives. The remaining precentage accounts for all other ethnic targets. Of all these crimes, 75% were committed by a person or persons who identified themselves as active members of a mainline Christian place of worship not identified as a violent organization (ie, members of the KKK were not included in this number)

20% of all hatre crimes were motivated by religious bigotry, about 1300 incidents. Of these, over 80% were directed against Jews. Of these crimes, 65% were committed by a person or persons who identified themselves as active members of a mainline Christian place of worship.

15% of all hate crimes were against sexual orientation. Of these, about 75% were directed against male homosexuals and 25% against lesbians. Again, 65% were committed by a person or persons who identified themselves as active members of a mainline Christian place of worship.

5% of all hate crimes were against ethnicity/national origin, of which 65% were directed toward Hispanics. Here, about 50% were committed by a person or persons who identified themselves as active members of a mainline Christian place of worship.

 

I think the problem is that Christianity as presented in the New Testament teaches to love our fellow man. Those who do elsewise are in violation of the teachings of Christ.

Islam was built upon military conquest and is the greatest persecuter of Christians today. The reason Islam is so prominent is because of military conquest that was finaly stopped by the Franks at the battle of Tours in the early Middle Ages. The Koran does contain incitements to inflict violence on non-Muslims *** koran quotes removed*** While many will quote verses from the Koran that tries to make Islam into a peaceful Buddhist type faith, history speaks for itself from Mohammed, the Turks, the bloody persecution of the Egyptian Coptic Church that continues to this day, Slavery and Crucifiction of Christians in Sudan to such evil regimes as Saudi Arabia and Iran. Islam is built on the blood of others and not peaceful conversion.

While truly most American Muslims are peaceful people, I would dare say they are part of the Liberal Islam and not Orthodox Islam. Note just a few quotations from Islamic Clerics,

From the Grand Mosque in Sanaa, Yemen:

Turning to the issue of Jerusalem, the imam says that all Muslims "should protect holy Jerusalem, the point of Muhammad's departure to the seven heavens." He wonders if Muslims have lost faith and are ready to leave Al-Aqsa Mosque to the "brothers of monkeys and the sons of pigs." He urges Muslims to stop the injustice against "our brothers in Palestine, Iraq, and the other Islamic countries." The imam then criticizes Islamic rulers, ulema, and peoples for failing to extend support to the Palestinians, regretting the fact that "even demonstrations staged in support for the Palestinians have been suffocated."

In the second part of the sermon, the imam urges Muslims to launch "jihad" for the sake of Al-Aqsa and Jerusalem and to extend every support to the Palestinians. He also urges Yemenis to stage a march in Sanaa after the Friday prayers to assure Palestinians that Muslims stand by them. He also wants them to tell "the United States, Jews, and the world that Jerusalem is for Muslims, that it is Palestine's capital, and that we will not dispense with it."

Concluding, the imam prays to God: "O God, give support to our mujahidin brothers. O God, give victory to Islam and Muslims and disappoint falsehood and its followers. O God, give a clear and urgent victory to our mujahdin brothers in Palestine." He goes on: "O God, destroy the Jews and their supporters and destroy the Christians and their supporters. O God, shake the ground under them. O God, instill fear into their hearts and freeze the blood in their veins."
From Al-Rawdah Mosque in Damascus, Syria:

"O God, close the ranks of faithful Arabs and Muslims, give them victory over their enemy, and destroy the treacherous Zionists and their supporters. O God, support our mujahidin brothers in the occupied territories."
From Shaykh Ijlin mosque in the Gaza Strip:

"O God, take vengeance against the Jews and Americans. O God, forgive Muslims and help the Muslims' leaders support Islam and liberate Al-Aqsa Mosque."
From Abi-Hanifah al-Nu'man Mosque in Baghdad, Iraq:

"O God, give victory to your mujahid servants in Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. O God, extend support to them, strengthen them, and help them score victory over their enemies. O God, destroy the tyrants. O God, destroy the Americans, who want to commit aggression against Iraq. O God, destroy the Jews, who have committed aggression against Palestine. O God, destroy the British, who want to help attack Iraq."
From the holy mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia:

"O God, strengthen Islam and Muslims, humiliate infidelity and infidels, destroy the enemies of Islam, and give safety to this country and to the other Islamic countries. O God, give us safety in our homelands and give wisdom to our leaders." He goes on: "O God, give victory to our mujahidin brothers everywhere. O God, give them victory in Palestine, Kashmir, and Chechnya. O God, protect Al-Aqsa Mosque from the Zionist aggressors. O God, humiliate them and force them to leave."


MSNBC'sHARDBALL host Chris Matthews recently stated that PC people are trying to make Islam and Jihad into "Oprah Self Help Religion". I have Christian friends who live in Islamic countries and they would be the last testify that Islam is a religion of Peace. Peaceful Islam is the exception not the RULE.

[ December 30, 2002, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]