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Featured NIV vs. ESV, Part 2

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by InTheLight, Sep 23, 2014.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    you have kept up yours!
     
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    All translations employ some level of functional equivalence unless they are a strict interlinear.
     
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    Yes, all do. But some formal equivalence fans have an enlarged estimation of their favorites. These fans have no idea that their favorite version uses functional equivalence as a philosophy of translation.
     
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    Doubt those who did the nas saw it in that fashion!
     
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    You assume I haven't read the preface to the ESV. The KJV used more functional methods than the ESV does. It falls within the formal equivalent camp and you know it. You keep trying to peddle false information on this topic.
     
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    My "mantra" is to get you to confess your sin of lying about the NIV for 15 straight years. My "mantra" is to demand for you to retract and apologize for your lack of integrity. You see things that are not in the text of the NIV. You have never documented any of your irresponsible charges as being in the NIV. Those sinfully stupid accusations might as well be aimed at the NASB, NKJV, CSB and NLT. That's because all of the translations and the NIV are guiltless of your absurdities.
     
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    Tell me something false that I have said.
     
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    Oh like talking about which ones are formal and which ones are functional.
     
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    If you pay close attention to my words you will notice that I didn't say so-called formal versions don't use form-oriented wording. The method may be to try the formal route, but the philosophy is that on many occasions the form will have to be modified.

    "Every translation is at many points a trade-off between literal precision and readability, between 'formal equivalence' in expression and 'functional equivalence' in communication, and the ESV is no exception." [Taken from the preface of the ESV you claim to have read.]
     
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    Yes, which I already acknowledged. You seem to be trying to make it out to be more than what it is.
     
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    How can I be sinning against the Niv, for there shall be mistakes in it, but you treat it as being in same way a KJVO sees their pet translation?
     
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    Formal translation philosophy superior to the functional one....
     
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    You need to use the NIrV for your primary translation. It will jump-start your English proficiency.
     
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    Lets try it in watered down English for you here.... Nas superior to the Niv 2011....
     
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    Job

    18:3
    ESV : Why are we counted as cattle?
    NIV : Why are we regarded as cattle

    18:12
    ESV : His strength is famished
    NIV : Calamity is hungry for him

    19:13
    ESV : He has put my brothers far from me
    NIV : He has alienated my family from me

    19:17
    ESV : My breath is strange to my wife
    NIV : My breath is offensive to my wife

    20:22
    ESV : In the fullness of his sufficiency
    NIV : In the midst of his plenty

    21:33
    ESV : The clods of the valley are sweet to him
    NIV : The soil in the valley is sweet to them

    23:7
    ESV : There an upright man could argue with him
    NIV : There the upright can establish their innocence before him

    24:16
    ESV : In the dark they dig through houses
    NIV : In the dark, thieves break into houses

    24:22
    ESV : Yet God prolongs the life of the mighty by his power
    NIV : But God drags away the mighty by his power

    26:10
    ESV : He has inscribed a circle
    NIV : He marks out the horizon
     
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    27:2

    ESV : who has taken away my right
    NIV : who has denied me justice

    27:12
    ESV : why then have you become altogether vain?
    NIV : Why then this meaningless talk

    27:14
    ESV : If his children are multiplied, it is for the sword
    NIV : However ma his children, their fate is the sword

    28:5
    ESV : As for the earth, out of it comes bread
    NIV : The earth, from which food comes

    29:16
    ESV : I searched out the cause of him whom did not know
    NIV : I took up the case of the stranger

    29:22
    ESV : my word dropped on them
    NIV : my words fell gently on their ears
     
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    30:9
    ESV : And now I have become their song
    NIV : And now those young men mock me in song

    31:12
    ESV : it would burn to the root of my increase
    NIV : it would have uprooted my harvest

    31:20
    ESV : if his body has not blessed me
    NIV : and their hearts did not bless me

    31:21
    ESV : because I saw my help in the gate
    NIV : knowing that I had influence in court

    31:39
    ESV : and made its owners breathe their last
    NIV : or broken the spirit of its tenants
     
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