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No, America Does Not “Need a Hate Speech Law”

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KenH

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Shoostie said:
Pure fascism.
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No, it's not. Gary Johnson was a very poor candidate in 2016. He was much better in 2012. Lots of Libertarians were disappointed in him in 2016. He frittered away a golden opportunity with both Clinton and Trump being so highly unpopular.
 
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KenH said:
The 2018 LP Platform plank on freedom of speech:

"We, on the contrary, deny the right of any government to do these things, and hold that where governments exist, they must not violate the rights of any individual: namely...the right to liberty of speech and action — accordingly we oppose all attempts by government to abridge the freedom of speech and press, as well as government censorship in any form..."
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For the third time, that's not a plank of the Libertarian Party platform. The planks are numbered, which number is liberty of speech? Plank #3.5 is the encouragement of people to harass those who practice freedom of association. Plank #3.4 is to import millions of voting socialists and to grow government welfare programs. But, no plank about free speech.

What do they mean by liberty of speech? If they addressed in a plank, they could tell us. But, in truth, they just sell themselves as proponents of liberty, such as liberty of speech, while in substance they are fascists, as I've already demonstrated.
 
KenH

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Fine. I'll play your game.

Plank 1.2 "We support full freedom of expression and oppose government censorship, regulation, or control of communications media and technology."
 
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Shoostie

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KenH said:
Fine. I'll play your game.

Plank 1.2 "We support full freedom of expression and oppose government censorship, regulation, or control of communications media and technology."
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That's not free speech. That plank basically says they oppose government control of the tech oligopoly. I.e. Facebook is free to censor (even if forced to censor by whiny fascists and government threats of punishment for discrimination), and the government is free to punish me for saying things you don't like or for "hate speech", or for not saying things a sodomite or state of California demand that I say. After all, I'm not "communications media and technology." I'm a person, and therefor nothing to Plank 1.2.

All you have there is a plank against regulating the tech oligopoly. And, that would change the instant the tech oligopoly stopped favoring the Left.
 
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KenH said:
Do you support freedom of association?
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The Libertarian Party doesn't support freedom of association. They have a plank encouraging people to harass those who practice freedom association. How many times have I pointed this out to you? I've lost count.
 
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KenH said:
Yes, it is. You are being contrary just for the sake of being contrary.
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A plank opposing regulation of the left-leaning tech oligopoly protects my speech how, say if I baked wedding cakes? It doesn't. The Libertarian Party doesn't support free speech.
 
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KenH said:
Yes, it does. For some reason you don't want to admit it. Why?
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The best you could come up with for a free speech plank in their platform was their opposition to regulating left-leaning big tech.

For some reason, you can't admit their silence on California prohibiting conversion therapy and mandates that pro-lifers advertise abortion means something. For some reason, you can't admit their silence on artists and writers being required to produce sodomite speech means something. For some reason you can't admit their silence on personal speech in the face of alleged hate speech means something. For some reason you can't admit their silence on college speech codes means something.

It's pretty clear that the Libertarian Party wants the government (edited out unacceptable reccomend action) because he refuses to make same-sex wedding cakes. (edited out last sentence - same reasons)
 
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