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Featured No one deserved to be saved. Why the angst with Particular redemption?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by SovereignGrace, Apr 10, 2016.

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  1. revmwc

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    He didn't limit it to just parts he said "completely" again show where he singled out certain portions, he didn't you can claim it but that doesn't make it so.
     
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    Where did I say this that God chooses randomly? Where? Show it? I never said such a foolish statement as that. God chose a multitude of hell-deserving ppl to give to His Son to redeem them from their sins. His Son came as a man to live as a man, to know what it was like to live as a man, to know their temptations, yet He never sinned. God chose them from the creation of the world, and His Son, in His time, came and redeemed them via His crosswork at Calvary. But He never randomly chose them. He chose them based upon HIS foreknowledge and not your corrupt definition of divine foreknowledge.

    But your definition of foreknowledge and what divine foreknowledge truly is, are entirely different. God knew beforehand, because He decreed them who He chose, would be saved. It was not that He merely looked down through time and saw who would and wouldn't and chose them. That is Him reacting after they acted.
     
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    Scripture does not say or teach that at all.
    God does nothing "random"
    God does nothing because he learned anything, or waited to see something then react and make a plan....
     
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    Wrong.....he purposed to save a multitude of sinners.....while they were sinners and dead in their sin....for His own good pleasure;
    8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
    There is no mention anywhere of God knowing "something" beforehand, that is completely false...
    It says WHOM he did foreknow....not WHAT HE did Foreknow........You keep repeating this error as most do.....stay off those garbage Arminian anti- cal sites and read the scripture.
     
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    He does, and did. :)

    The secret things belong to God and the revealed things belong to us. None knows why He chose one over the other. Other than He loves those He chose. He told Israrel He loves them because He loves them. It sure wasn't anything on Israel's part that caused God to love them, as they rebelled all the time, yet, it was the remnant He loves.

    For the umpteenth time...For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.[Ephesians 1:4-6] That is why He choses some and not others.

    As sinful as I am at times, I have asked Him that many times.

    Again, your are destroying the definition of divine foreknowledge. Please. Stop. It.
     
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    Why did I say it was a complete falsehood.....because you are offering the same argument that paul taught against in Romans 9;
    watch;
     
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    Sorry was on the phone for over an hour and could not respond until now....but you read it correctly and I have started to respond in more detail now...thanks for clarifying and understanding.
    this is the part that the non cals do not get.....we are for the most part on the same page most of the time...we differ according to secondary factors but the scripture unites us....
     
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    Isaoah? Ssly? Was that Isaiah's twin brother? :D ;) :) J/K Brother.
     
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    Particular redemption ?

    What do you think? 10%?
     
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    This thread is closed.
     
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