No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Look up what CDC considers an unvaccinated death.

 

And I have to take it that you require that standard of proof for all that you do. Ya right.You do not want proof you want everyone to just think the way you do.

 

Nope.
If a person contracts Covid within two weeks after receiving second dose, they are considered an unvaccinated case and if they later die, an unvaccinated death.

 

As of yet no one has given me any criteria that I can use to tell me what claims from what org. is legitimate and which is politically infused!!!!!!!!!
You accepting does not make it true any more than refusing makes it true!
Can you answer my question with specifics rather than denigrating the question??

 

The government organizations were politicized very early on in this by people at the top. And they wonder why they are not trusted? Maybe if they gave consistent messaging they might still have credibility.

 

They are classified as unvaccinated. I heard ER Doctor on talk radio fussing about having to classify deaths that way.

 

Well, you are living proof that "white hair" (assuming your handle is accurate) DOES not equate to WISDOM!
Seems you & Jon make a great tag team.
Can't get a straight answer from either of you; basically you both have said, "If you want more proof that I've given, then you are not interested in PROOF, you just want someone to agree with you!" Not in these words, but by snide comments AND innuendo!!
Oh, and JFTR, O Wise one(?) I've had the vax, so I really don't have a dog in this squabble EXCEPT for the intrusion of politics that that now holds this bug over the American head like a Sword of Damocles.
And while there is fierce discussion on both sides, "whether to vax or not to vax" the bulk of accusations seem to me to come from the pro-vax side ; not all, but the most. And as well the pros tend to trust whatever the medical orgs say far more than the antis, and denigrate t'other side far more the antis. Perfect example of last sentence is your reply to my asking proof of your claims and getting snide remarks and your attack on my character!

We have had one poster leave the BB because of garbage like this, and there may soon be another!!
Should this happen enough, then you will have just what you accuse me of per your quote- "--everyone to just think the way you do."!

 

@JonC do you believe the government on everything with climate science?

 

@JonC :

Using the history of influenza, we should be able to predict ( with reasonable accuracy ), the outcome of variants and vaccines related to the SARS-COV2 virus.
Virus variants don't seem to care all that much about vaccines that were designed to combat "the old model", and neither will subsequent variants of SARS-COV2 care about any vaccines that were developed to combat "delta".

Based on this, I would say, "Yes, vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the coronvirus as unvaccinated people", Jon.

IMO, the recent outbreak of COVID-19 in Barnstable County, Massachusetts this past summer has already confirmed this.
Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, including COVID-19 ...
Barnstable Covid-19 Outbreak: Fully Vaccinated Can Spread Coronavirus Delta Variant, Says CDC

Vaccinated people who were vaccinated using the current vaccines, do indeed spread the variants of the virus;
and vaccine status makes no difference either way.

I'm also fairly sure that there are studies on both sides of this that are trying with all their might to determine what is, essentially, going to hold similar to influenza...when all is said and done.

SARS-COV2 is here to stay, and trying to get control of it will only serve to be the same lesson in futility as influenza has been.
People are still dying almost everyday from it, and will continue to get sick and even die from it years from now;
Mandating vaccines will change nothing, and mandating masks and "social distancing" will not make it go away...

The same as influenza.

 

We don't know that it is more deadly or more contagious. Flu rates went down over the last year and a half. Why? BC they are being counted as COVID. We also know not all covid death count numbers are legitimate.

 

I agree, to an extent.

But ultimately, all the discussion around it is, in all likelihood and from my viewpoint, going to result in nothing more or less than what happened in 1918-1919...
A severe outbreak of a virus that killed many, followed by "herd immunity".
Government restrictions and mandates or no, will make no difference.

To me, most of the discussion I've seen here on the BB and in other venues, is all rather pointless.
SARS-COV2 is here to stay, and no matter what is said or done about it, trying to control it is also pointless.
I would think that the "Spanish Flu" outbreak 100 years ago would have served to punctuate this...
H1N1 is still around, my friend. The only thing that changed was the name..."Swine Flu" in 2009.

No amount of vaccines or other methods of control have come close to eradicating it.

That said, why are Christians continuing to debate this, when they should be looking to their Saviour for deliverance?
I confess that I'm a bit confused...

I see you on one side as a proponent of vaccines, mandates, etc ( perhaps I'm in error, please correct me if so ).
I see others on the other side against those things, and the debate rages on, and on, and on.


What ( or better yet, Who ) is being left out of the discussion?

 

I think you're missing my point: