Not under Law --Under Grace!

Another thing to look at in the passages in question by some is this:

'IF'

The supposition word,

The 'if' is there for a reason, over and over. One is not just to suppose one is saved, we are to know we are saved.

Chapter 5 tells us we can know beyond a shadow of a doubt of our salvation.

 

YOU NEED TO READ THIS AGAIN!!

This is to you His Blood Spoke My Name:

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This Chapter and verses are plainly talking about before being cleansed by the blood of Christ (THE UNSAVED) and after being cleansed by His Blood, (THE SAVED) how many times DO we have to be cleansed?
Here is how they are reconciled, I am sure you know and had probably went off line when the last post was made but if not,

John 1: 7 is talking being saved , and if you walk in the light (you have no sin).

John 1: 8, if we say we have no sin ( no sin to be cleansed by walking in the light and being washed in the blood of Christ as in verse 7.and then being saved.

John 1:9 tells us to confess our sins before we are saved and be cleansed by the blood of Christ as in verse 7

John 1: 10 is if we say we have not sinned (past tense when unsaved) then we make Him a liar.


1 John, chapter 1
7: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his

Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10: If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


If we confes our sins (walk in the light) He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteous.

If we say we have not sinned (past tense) we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.


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This Chapter and verses is plainly saying to anyone, who says they know the Lord and keep not His Commandments, is a liar and the truth is not in them. (WHETHER YOU CLAIM TO BE SAVED OR NOT)
1 John, chapter 2
1: My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father,

Jesus Christ the righteous:
2: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

If we say we know Him and keep not His Commandments, we are a liar and the truth is not in us.

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RECONCILED
Do you know Him?

Are you keeping His Commanments

If not you are a liar, and the scripture tells us if we are liars where we are going to as in the scripture below.

For those who keep not His Commandments.

Rev. 21:
"8": But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters,

and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Read it again, I had some mistakes but fixed them.
Verse 7 is talking about those cleansed up by the blood. (no sin)
Verse 8 is talking before we were cleansed up by His blood (had sin)
verse 9 is being cleansed up after confession. (no sin)

I think it reconciles it. It is plain those with sin have never been cleansed up by the blood of Christ, unless you believe you have to be cleaned up more than once

 

Bob,

I did read it, and I agree. No, the cleansing is not necessary more than once.

We are in darkness, or in light.
If we say we are in the light and and are walking contrary to the Word,we lie and do not know the Light.

 

John 1: 8 is talking about those who want to skip verse 7 and the blood and say they have no sin.

 

You all have a good day, I got a church to take care of today. I will see you later if I don't get booted.

 

GE:
There is not a living person who keeps the Commandments perfectly - which is here supposed. There are, however those who sincerely believing in Jesus, who do keep the commandments - more or less well. This is not what is supposed here. What is supposed here, is the Covenant of Grace, whereby the man who is in Christ - through Electing Grace - in Christ keeps the Law perfectly. It is not the person's righteousness that is accounted - it is his faith - the gift of electing Grace - so that the righteousness which is of God, is accounted him in Christ. There is no one but such as shall enter into evrlasting life through Jesus Christ. No chancers.

 

And for DHK,
Also baptism is a command of Christ the saved shall have undergone in and through the death and resurrection of Christ, through Christ, by faith only. No water-baptism supposed.

 

3: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Who should we believe, the Lord or someone else?


BTW, HBSMN;

Jeremiah verse 9 is not to all men having a deceitful heart but the Lord talking to Judah.

Jere.17
1: The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars;

7: Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.

8: For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat

cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

9: The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

10: I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

11: As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.

 

#1.The sins for which we are held accountable are ... "The deeds done in the body whether they be good or evil" 2Cor 5. This is seen again in Romans 2 and in Matt 7.

#2. SDAs do not argue that "nothing goes to heaven at death" rather we argue that the "spirit of all men goes back to God who gave it" at death and that this spirit is the "essence" of who you are in a dormant form.

The principle of sin - begins in the inner man "the heart" according to Mark 7 and James 1
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own[/b] lust.
15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
16 Do not be deceived[/b], my beloved brethren.

Mark 7
18 And He said to them, ""Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,
19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?'' (Thus He declared all foods clean.)
20 And He was saying, "" That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
21 ""For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness.
23 ""All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.''

I agree that the new creation - the new nature is at war with the sinful nature just as we see in Romans 7 -- "war within me" and "sin in my members" -- but as Romans 8 and 1John 2 state the end result must be really "walking as Christ walked" 1John 2 and "walking after the Sprit - puting to death the deeds of the flesh"

In 2Cor 10:4 Paul puts it this way "taking every thought captive to the obedience of Chrsit".

In Christ,

Bob

 

If I didn't get booted??

 

BB:
"Who should we believe, the Lord or someone else?"

GE:
So I infer I should believe you - who boasts you keep His commandments?
I know you don't mean I should believe you - straight and honest that is; you insinuate I lie. I'll always be a liar in the sight of a holy God, admittedly. Maybe you won't?
Now Abraham obeyed God, but what did God reckon him righteous for? His obedience? No! for his faith which he also received from the pure mercies of God - not from his own pure efforts!

 

That is closer than some of the others Bob and I know you don't believe the soul goes to Heaven but we find where the soul and Spirit are so bound that only the word of God can put them asunder and I believe they stay together and go to Heaven. Anyway, you answer better than most of the others.

This is what DHK posted on this thread about me.

Yes, I was booted for 10 days for standing up for my belief. They call it anger but its just the way I am. I am not angry to the point that as DHK said, I murdered some brethern.

 

Bro Bob got booted???

AND if we DO sin we have an advocate with the Father.

There is no text that says that the saints can not be tempted, can not sin etc. Rather we are to engage in the process of 2cor 10:4 "taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ" using the weapons of our warfare which are divinely powerful.

I am SDA - I can hardly argue with those statements - so I guess i have to agree with you on that part. Predestined.

In Christ,

Bob