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November 11th, 100th Anniversary of Armistice.

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  1. shodan

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    It ended the killing...for the moment.

    The bad part is that, yes, the terms of the Armistice set the wheels in motion for WWII.
     
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    It also set up the Soviet Union because Germany aided Lenin in getting started. Dick Morris says that World War I only ended with the fall of the Soviet Union.
     
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    An argument can be made that perhaps the Allies should have driven the Germans out of France and gotten a surrender. Perhaps WWII would never occurred. On the other hand, the loss of life would have continued...
     
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    From what I've read, that was GEN Pershing's goal. But, Wilson wanted peace without victory. And the Brits and French were bled dry. So, the Armistice was brokered. It also gave rise to the stab in the back meme of the Germans. Black Jack knew he had the Germans "on the run" and wanted to go all "Grant" on them.
     
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    We should have occupied the bulk of Germany in 1919 like we did in 1945 to show the Germans they really were militarily defeated and not just 'stabbed in the back'
     
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    Yes. But that would require a clear cut victory and/or a surrender by Germany. Apparently, none of the allies had the will to do what was necessary to make that happen.
     
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    I think Lloyd George and Clemenceau had the will to do it but wouldn't have been able to carry their government colleagues, still less their war weary troops (the French Army was still recovering from the 1917 mutinies); with the US it was if anything the other way around, with Black Jack and the Doughboys prepared to march through Metz into the heart of Germany but Wilson sticking doggedly to his Fourteen Points.
     
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    An Englishman, a Frenchman, a Spainard, and a German are sitting in the back of a bar. The bartender waves to them and says, "Hey, you guys back there! Can you see me?"

    They look up and answer, "Yes, Oui, Si, Ja"

    (Common sense evaluation)
     
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    At the local CofE over 150 people gathered for the Remembrance service instead of 20+ for the once monthly Sunday service only 2 of us had white poppies with red ones. A boy read very well from Mat. 5; the Vicar spoke spoke on how the war affected all sides, & that Germans who spoke against Hitler 'disappeared.' No Gospel. Then out to the war memorial & nearly an hour of mentions of the dead from the area & pictures put on the memorial - to be blown off again.

    I saw the UK leaders gathered round the Cenotaph laying their wreaths for the dead. So much veneration of the "unknown Soldier" but none for the known soldiers, suffering PTSD, many homeless & sleeping on the street.

    No mention of the support we are giving to continuing wars in the Middle East nor the suffering Yemeni civilians being killed by "our" bombs by Saudi Arabia - "we must support them to maintain our arms industry.

    WE HAVE A GOSPEL OF PEACE WITH GOD & EACH OTHER! MAY OUR GOD RAISE UP PREACHERS & GIVE THEM A HEARING.
     
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    C in some ways now you understand why we Americans split our observances.
     
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    The Lord Mayor of Sheffield’s powerful words remind us of the terrible truth about war

    We need more immigrants like him.
     
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    I haven't asked him, but I think you can guess from this quote -
     
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    Even if they 'had the will' to continue with what one called the 'Satanic carnage' none had the wherewithall. It was a stalemate.
     
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    I don't agree. Once the United States entered the fray, they did have the ability and the manpower to get it done. The limited time the US was involved, the allies already had the Germans on their heels waiting for a knockout punch that never came.
     
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