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Obama contends belief in Jesus Christ not necessary for salvation

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, Mar 28, 2008.

  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    If Senator Obama was running for the office of national pastor this might influence my vote. However, since he is running for the secular office of president of the United States this will have no influence on my vote whatsoever.
     
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    I could have probably written this post for you. However it appears we can take him out of the Christian category.
     
  4. KenH

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    Barack Obama is a Christian, as are you and me.
     
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    Salvation is by grace. Believing works leads to salvation, as Obama did say here, leads one to hell.
     
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    I'm sorry but no Christian excepts eternal salvation outside of Christ.
     
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    Whew, so glad you got this information out there...I'm sure we would have called him to be...hey wait a minute isn't he running for president?

    Believing Jesus is not the only way to heaven, doesn't mean you suddenly become unchristian.
     
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    It means you never were.
     
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    Obama is following basic liberation theology instead of basic evangelical theology... His church is based in liberation.

    Liberation theology teaches that Christ is our example.
    And that mankind can be saved when you have the right social programs, enough education... etc.

    Liberation theology believes we are saved by following Jesus' example
    Jesus came to set the captives free... they don't see this as spiritual captivity, but physical captivity... free from poverty, disease, ignorance, etc...

    This is why Obama wants to socialize everything.. he truly is following his faith...

    It is the wrong type of faith in Christ.
    But at least it shows he has listened to his pastor..

    That is what his denomination stands for...
    (and I am not talking about "black"... I am talking about basic "liberation" theology.. it can be white as well as black.. the basis is the same)
     
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    You become a thief and a robber.

    John 10:7-9
    7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
    8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
    9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
     
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    That has nothing to do with his ability or lack of ability to be president.
     
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    Right, but it does mean he does not understand salvation through Jesus...

    Therefore he needs our prayers that he will be saved before it is too late.
     
  13. Revmitchell

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    However, it once again shows that he is not who he says he is.
     
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    Amen Tim. :thumbs:
     
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    Christianity!

    Stay in that box!
     
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    If I did not consider Christ to be who and what He says He is, then there is no way on this green earth that I would claim to be a follower.

    To do so, would say of me, that I would follow a charlatan OR a madman.

    If Jesus is not who or what He claims to be, then there is no other choice except His being a liar OR mentally deficient. To claim Him as a "good man", or "spiritual teacher", or a "moral leader", or some such trash, just confirms that the one making that claim "ain't dealin' with a full deck"!

    To use Him as an example to emulate, while denying the truths He taught, is the height of either naivity or stupidity - take your pick!

    Well, it could be that he just has no real idea of his subject or he's just mouthing platitudes for the gullible adoring to sponge up!
     
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    More proof he didn't listen to his Pastor... :laugh: :thumbs:
     
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    Actually it is proof he did.
     
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    GW Bush said the same thing twice. I'll bet you supported him in 2000 and 2004, right?



    Bush on Religion and God
    President Says He Believes Muslims and Christians Pray to Same God

    Oct. 26, 2004 --
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=193746&page=1


    In an exclusive interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson, Bush said he believes that both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

    "I think we do. We have different routes of getting to the Almighty," Bush said. "But I want you to understand, I want your listeners to understand, I don't get to get decide who goes to heaven. The Almighty God decides who goes to heaven and I am on my personal walk," he said.




    Evangelicals outraged over Bush's 'same god' remark

    Christian leaders express dismay: 'He is commander in chief, not theologian in chief'
    Posted: November 24, 2003
    11:26 am Eastern

    © 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

    Many Evangelical Christians in the U.S. say they are outraged over President George Bush's statement that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

    The statement was made Thursday, during the joint press conference in England with Prime Minister Tony Blair. A reporter noted Bush has frequently expressed the view that freedom is a gift from "the Almighty," but questioned whether Bush believes "Muslims worship the same Almighty" as the president and other Christians do.

    "I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person. I also condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world," Bush replied. "It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same god," reported the London Telegraph.

    Bush's equivalence of the Judeo-Christian and Muslim gods brought reactions of shock and dismay from Christians in the U.S. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination, was quoted in the Baptist Press as saying the president "is simply mistaken."
     
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    Now that would be sad if that's what his pastor taught him. But who knows, he did say Jesus was a black man... :BangHead:
     
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