Obama MOCKS the Bible and Jesus....

Thanks for your words. I'm sensitive to that particular abbreviation...we've been talking with our youth lately about it.

Thanks again.

 

Here's a link to a transcript of what the Obama said:

Transcript of Obama's 6/28/2006 Call to Renewal Conference Speech

 

Here is the portion of the speech referred to in the youtube video from Dragoon68's link. The bolded portion is the section in the video and I've provided a little context.

Obama makes a good point that is evidenced by many threads found in this very forum. How do we apply scripture to politics? What passages and theologies do we consciously or unconsciously accept and reject in the process of developing our political frameworks?

I also agree with his call for people to read their bibles and not let politically motivated "theologians" from any persuasion (left, right, up, down) tell them what scripture says.

 

The foundation by which he tries to make that point is in deep error. He has no clue what scripture says or suggests. He is lost as the day is long. I have never seen a politically motivated theologian. Can you name a few?

 

Sorry, but that is not the way it works. God has one Holy standard. He is not all over the board without direction. Just because man fails to perceive God as He is, does not mean God is all things to all people. It means man is flawed. (Duh). For example, the Lord left us with one church in Acts. Over the last 2000 years, we have managed to split into thousands of groups because we think everyone else is wrong. That alone should tell you we do not know what we are doing.

Since my mind is flawed like everyone else's, it is not within my power to pick out from amongst the many pieces we have created which is right or wrong. All I can to is to trust the Lord to lead me to the place I should serve him, learn from prayer, Bible study, and believers at the local church the Lord has placed me, and submit to the authority of that church. That is God's clear direction for my life. Only God can lead through the mess we have created.

Getting back to Obama (what business he has telling anyone about their faith is beyond me), he is very, very wrong for the following reasons. He puts forth a message of a disunified message of the Bible. It is not only unified, it is without error, and can be understood to the degree the Lord allows us to understand through the Holy Spirit. The message of the whole Bible is a unified story about Jesus Christ. The next error he makes is not to listen the pastor of your local church. That is totally unBiblical. We are to submit to the leadership of the local church once the Lord puts us there.

The best thing Obama can do when it comes to people's faith is shut his mouth.

 

I cannot think of a politically motivated theologian. I can think of some that I thought at the time were too involved in politics, Jerry Falwell for one. He had a good message, a great school, and did lots for the Lord (more than I ever will). Also, there is nothing wrong with trying to elect Godly leaders, but it seemed to me at times he was obsessed with it over the Gospel.

But no, I cannot think of one politically motivated theologian. I would assume a man called by the Lord to pastor or teach would have higher standards than to hob nob with thieves.

 

Theologian according to Webster "a specialist in theology" don't know that much about Falwell but not sure he fits the definition.

Chafer, Calvin, Hodge, Strong, Miley, etc. fit the definition of theologian.

 

Read the speech in its entirety. It's obvious that the OP snipets are nothing more than snippets lifted from their context. The snippets in their context are by no means what the OP claims them to be.

 

some people believe the bible does not apply to all of a christians life, only the parts he wants to apply it too, meaning God isn't really their 'god' at all.

 

Contest, context, context. They were snipped at the right spot to give the impression that the OP claims, but a contextual application within the speech demonstrates that the OP claim is in error. I've read the speech as a whole, and watched it as a whole. No such mocking takes place as alleged by the OP.

 

None..............

 

The question suggests you haven't read or watched the address as a whole.
The comments are a response to the idea of legislating scripture, which asks the question of whose brand or application of Christianity should one use, as well as which verses to apply. That's the context of the comments, and in that context, they're not mocking, as the OP claims.

One might disagree with the comments made in Obama's speech (I disagree with several), but to make an accusation of "mocking" is a completely false accusation in the aforementioned address.

 

I couldn't disagree with you more. Obama wasn't mocking scripture, he was referencing passages in scripture that are often misused and misapplied. In fact, Obama was mocking those who misuse scripture as a basis for their positions. This seems to be more of an issue with Christians not liking the fact that Obama did so, and not an issue of Obama "mocking" scripture.

There are many reasons to be critical of Obama. It's not necessary to rely on the invented issue of "he mocked scripture" to be critical of Obama.

 

I'm sure I can think of a several times on this board where I've pointed people's error in application many times, and been accused of mocking scripture. I'm sure you've likewise been accused of it as well.

That's not what was done. And yes, if someone wants to apply scripture by asserting that the scripture should be legally codified, I'll show them from their application of scripture why you can't and why you shouldn't.