Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

[Dragoon68]

Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

Here's another expected consequence of the "change" that Obama plans to bring to our country. This one gives more "acceptance" to homosexuality - exactly the opposite course of action that should be taken. It is so shameful! It will be next to impossible to reverse these kinds of changes in the near future.

 

[OldRegular]

Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

Here's another expected consequence of the "change" that Obama plans to bring to our country. This one gives more "acceptance" to homosexuality - exactly the opposite course of action that should be taken. It is so shameful! It will be next to impossible to reverse these kinds of changes in the near future.

O'bama is assuring discord in the military; hopefully not deliberately.

 

[Revmitchell]

Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy

Here's another expected consequence of the "change" that Obama plans to bring to our country. This one gives more "acceptance" to homosexuality - exactly the opposite course of action that should be taken. It is so shameful! It will be next to impossible to reverse these kinds of changes in the near future.

This will destroy our military. Which is the plan.

 

[monk]

How will this destroy the military?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

How will this destroy the military?

Good question. Seems like we heard this same song when Clinton institued Don't Ask, Don't Tell. The military is still around.

 

[LeBuick]

And who said we won't see change??? :BangHead:

 

[Dragoon68]

How will this destroy the military?

Homosexuality destroys all that it invades whether the family, the state, or the church. This move is just one more step in an attempt to legitimize homosexual conduct under force of law and to make heterosexual people accept it. A society that does not openly understand and condemn homosexual conduct but, instead, gives aid and support to its advocates in an accomplice to the sinfulness of it. We will suffer because of it. If you've served in the military you will probably understand how this will adversely effect that institution. I don't think I can explain it appropriately in this forum.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Homosexuality destroys all that it invades whether the family, the state, or the church. This move is just one more step in an attempt to legitimize homosexual conduct under force of law and to make heterosexual people accept it. A society that does not openly understand and condemn homosexual conduct but, instead, gives aid and support to its advocates in an accomplice to the sinfulness of it. We will suffer because of it. If you've served in the military you will probably understand how this will adversely effect that institution. I don't think I can explain it appropriately in this forum.

I served, and I don't see your point. Homosexuals have been in the military for years, many died for our freedoms. They just "didn't tell". I guess I am not seeing your point on this.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

And not to belabor the point, but homosexual behavior is already legal in the USA. It ain't for me, but I am not going to worry about what people do in their private homes...I am more concerned with reaching them in their hearts. Change hearts and you change attitudes and behavior.

 

[J.D.]

Good question. Seems like we heard this same song when Clinton institued Don't Ask, Don't Tell. The military is still around.

As I recall, the DADT program was the compromise. He initially set out to have open acceptance of homosexuals in the military.

 

[J.D.]

I was hoping we could get one more conservative as CINC before I retire from the Reserves so I wouldn't have to see the policy change. I have four years to go. Maybe it'll take him that long to get it implimented.

 

[Dragoon68]

I served, and I don't see your point. Homosexuals have been in the military for years, many died for our freedoms. They just "didn't tell". I guess I am not seeing your point on this.

I don't think I really help you with this even if you've served and still don't understand it!

Yes, there may have been some - I doubt it was "many" - who surely did die for our country but that does not mean their sacrifice justified their conduct nor necessitated that we call on them for it nor that we change the norm to accept their conduct just so they can serve. That kind of justification is increasingly being used for all sorts of things.

There needs to be good standards of personal conduct in all institutions. Homosexual conduct does not represent such a standard. I would not want to be commanded by a senior officer who was a known and open homosexual. That is by no means the only standard but it is the one of this topic. Such things were once very important to us in our society.

The "don't tell" was the last restraint that keep it homosexual conduct somewhat out of sight and just between those of like kind. Removing that final restraint will make it blatant in your face type conduct that will pressure everyone else to accept it because they will be unable to oppose it under force of law.

That is the goal of supporters of homosexual conduct. They want to make it protected so there can be no objections even voiced against it. In such an environment there will be more drawn into this perverted sin.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

That is the goal of supporters of homosexual conduct. They want to make it protected so there can be no objections even voiced against it. In such an environment there will be more drawn into this perverted sin.

I don't believe it. If such behavior is not being condemned would YOU be drawn to it? I know I wouldn't. Sorry, but I just can't see people thinking, "Hmmm...so people are accepted as homosexuals. Maybe I should play for the other team too." Either you are attracted to the opposite gender or you aren't. Yes, there are some who like either, but that is already their proclivity too.

With that I shall leave it, as I think we are approaching the ban on discussion of human sexuality in the open forum. Perhaps this should be moved.

 

[Dragoon68]

And not to belabor the point, but homosexual behavior is already legal in the USA. It ain't for me, but I am not going to worry about what people do in their private homes...I am more concerned with reaching them in their hearts. Change hearts and you change attitudes and behavior.

This "private homes" or "bedrooms" argument has been around a while. The main problem with this is that the conduct is no longer "private" at all - it now very public and has served to lower the norms of society to a disgraceful level. It is amazing to me that Christian men must even discuss this issue. We once stood shoulder to shoulder united against these things. Such was never in conflict with appealing to fellow sinners to repent and turn away from their sins. Now we fight for the "rights" of sinfulness as if it represented our liberty. It does not! It represents one of many sins that threatens to invade and destroy all our institutions. We seem to have forgotten that law is necessary to protect the innocent and punish the guilty because the unrepentant among us will not change either their attitudes or their behavior of their own free will. They will, instead, flaunt it and promote it while laughing at our newly imposed inability to impact it.

 

[Dragoon68]

I don't believe it. If such behavior is not being condemned would YOU be drawn to it? I know I wouldn't. Sorry, but I just can't see people thinking, "Hmmm...so people are accepted as homosexuals. Maybe I should play for the other team too." Either you are attracted to the opposite gender or you aren't. Yes, there are some who like either, but that is already their proclivity too.

With that I shall leave it, as I think we are approaching the ban on discussion of human sexuality in the open forum. Perhaps this should be moved.

It is Satan's desire to tempt every person into the vilest of sins using whatever means he can and I think he especially delights in preying upon the immature, impressionable, and distressed so as to generate a lifetime of pain and suffering.

 

[Don]

How will this destroy the military?

From a recent letter in the "Air Force Times": a recent survey suggests that up to 70% of respondents stated they will not re-enlist if "don't ask/tell" is repealed.

What this means is, that's up to 70% of the military force that will have to be replaced; and the big question is, how will we replace them?

If the prevailing sentiment of the military is any indicator of the national attitude, then how many people will willingly enlist?

This is how the military will be destroyed. Or, at the very least, hurt.

 

[Salty]

What this means is, that's up to 70% of the military force that will have to be replaced; and the big question is, how will we replace them?
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If that is the case, I would assume that it would be mid-termer's (6-12) years who would not re-up. Those with at least 15 years would probably hold out for the retirement. These "lifers" probably live in family housing. If they are single they would reside the senior BEQ/BOQ; which normally have individual units

It will be the first / second termer's that may have to share quarters with an open homos@xual. And there lies the problem. It was brought previously that what a homos@xual does in the privacy of his own home is no ones business. Well, the barracks is not private! In addition, some States or Commonwealths have legalized homos@xal marriage. Theoretically, a couple (2 men) could marry and live in military family housing...

 

[Bro. Curtis]

"don't ask, don't tell" seemed to be in effect when I served, from '79-'83.

There was no shortage of gay people in the Navy. But they kept to themselves.

Now, with women serving in combat roles, and this going on, I don't see any of it as good news. It's hard enough to keep your mind on your watch station, without any kind of sexual tension involved. On our ship, even reading a book while on watch meant 2 hours scrubbing out the bilge. You need to be aware.

Another thing.....Now I hear even the prestigious "Pollywog to Shellback" initiation has been done away with, because of the feminization of the military.

I never had a problem with gays in the Navy. None of them ever got beaten up, or thrown overboard. I still don't. But I find it awfully hard to celebrate these kinds of things.

 

[monk]

If these patriots want to serve our country they should have our support.
I'm sure we would not approve of a lot of the bedroom behaviors of our heterosexual soldiers but they too deserve our love, support and prayers.

 

[Revmitchell]

If these patriots want to serve our country they should have our support.
I'm sure we would not approve of a lot of the bedroom behaviors of our heterosexual soldiers but they too deserve our love, support and prayers.

Your mistake is to think that homosexuality is simply about bedroom behavior. And the homosexual agenda of being accepted into the military isn't about being a patriot. It is only about forcing the acceptance of their ungodly behavior on the country. There is nothing patriotic about homosexuality. As far as deserving our love, prayers and support two out of three are correct. They deserve our love and prayers as any lost person who is headed for hell does. They do not deserve our support. And such a suggestion is most likely against the posting rules of this board.