Obama to Lift Ban on Overseas Abortion Funding

[4His_glory]

Hey, Pastor Larry, I have absolutely no desire to change any position just so I can agree with you.

Personally, I wear as a symbolic badge of honor disagreeing with right-wingers whose foreign and economic policies for the past eight years have brought such shame and reproach on the good name of the United States of America and brought economic disaster on our nation.

Even if that were true, it would be far better than the shame of the culture of death the America has embraced.

 

[KenH]

1) You should do it in order to be right.

2) You simply got deceived by a smooth-talking salesman.

1) In order to be right I probably have to disagree with you most of the time in this forum.

2) Not at all. I voted with my eyes wide open so your personal attack missed the mark(but that's nothing new). And given the opportunity to vote again on November 4, 2008, I would still vote for Barack Obama.

 

[KenH]

the culture of death the America

As I have stated time and time again in this forum I am opposed to abortion. I would like to see all abortions made illegally. I am not sure that most right-wing Christians would be as solid against all abortions as I am since many of them want to allow exceptions for various reasons.

 

[4His_glory]

As everyone around here continues to pray for his success. We will all get exactly what we pray for. God's wrath. Our punishment will no doubt be another attack worse than 9/11 as obama opens the door for all terrorist to enter the U.S.

Oh come on. We pray for him because that is what God tells us to do in His word. Anything less is flat out disobedience. We pray that God would use President Obama to accomplish His purposes in the world for His glory. At the same time we pray for a President Obama to see the error of embracing the death culture of abortion and most importantly turn in repentance to the Savior.

You have no idea what the future will bring. You do not know if an attack on the USA will occur and if it does, you do not know if it is God´s judgment or not.

 

[matt wade]

2) Not at all. I voted with my eyes wide open so your personal attack missed the mark(but that's nothing new). And given the opportunity to vote again on November 4, 2008, I would still vote for Barack Obama.

Would you vote for a person that wanted to allow parents to murder their teenage children, if those teenage children caused them an inconvenience or hardship? I'm not asking this question in jest, I really would like an answer. Because honestly, I don't see the difference in murdering a teenager or murdering an unborn child.

 

[KenH]

Would you vote for a person that wanted to allow parents to murder their teenage children

Nope.

Do you agree with me that all abortions should be outlawed since it is murder?

While I have very strong and firm views that all abortions should be outlawed there are tons of other issues to consider as well when voting. Let me put it this way - if the only issue that the president of the United States had any input on(or was the issue that consumed the majority of his input) was abortion then I would not have voted for Barack Obama.

 

[4His_glory]

As I have stated time and time again in this forum I am opposed to abortion. I would like to see all abortions made illegally. I am not sure that most right-wing Christians would be as solid against all abortions as I am since many of them want to allow exceptions for various reasons.

But then why vote for a man who has a clear agenda to further the abortion cause rather than stem the tide of death that already exists? Is money, jobs, and good standing in the eyes of foreign powers more important than life?

 

[Revmitchell]

As I have stated time and time again in this forum I am opposed to abortion. I would like to see all abortions made illegally. I am not sure that most right-wing Christians would be as solid against all abortions as I am since many of them want to allow exceptions for various reasons.

Really? Just who are these most?

 

[Pastor Larry]

1) In order to be right I probably have to disagree with you most of the time in this forum.

If so, then prove it. So far, you haven't been able to. On all the substantive issues, you have been shown to be wrong.

2) Not at all. I voted with my eyes wide open so your personal attack missed the mark(but that's nothing new).

No doubt your eyes were wide open. Unfortunately, you were thinking badly. But I made no personal attack. Don't distract from the point by baseless accusations.

And given the opportunity to vote again on November 4, 2008, I would still vote for Barack Obama.

That's too bad.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Really? Just who are these most?

I'd like to know, as well. Maybe he means RINO McCain ?

 

[Pastor Larry]

I am not sure that most right-wing Christians would be as solid against all abortions as I am since many of them want to allow exceptions for various reasons.

But that's the problem .... This simply isn't true. You aren't against them enough to vote to save even one of them. The man you voted for is in favor of complete access to abortions. And you knew it, and voted for him anyway. So you can't pretend you are that solid against all abortions. You voted to allow them all.

 

[KenH]

Really? Just who are these most?

I didn't say most, so please stop distorting what I wrote.

You think that everyone who opposes abortion supports a 100% ban like I do?

 

[matt wade]

Nope.

Do you agree with me that all abortions should be outlawed since it is murder?

While I have very strong and firm views that all abortions should be outlawed there are tons of other issues to consider as well when voting. Let me put it this way - if the only issue that the president of the United States had any input on(or was the issue that consumed the majority of his input) was abortion then I would not have voted for Barack Obama.

Yes...I agree that all abortions should be outlawed.

So, can you explain to me why you would not vote for a candidate promoting murder of teenage children, but you will vote for a candidate promoting murder of unborn children? I'm trying not to assume what you believe, but it's mighty hard not to assume that you value life outside the womb more than you value life inside the womb.

 

[KenH]

you have been shown to be wrong.

You have never shown me to be wrong on substantive issue during all the years I have been posting on this board. If you ever do so, it will be the first time.

 

[KenH]

it's mighty hard not to assume that you value life outside the womb more than you value life inside the womb.

It would be difficult for anyone to value life inside the womb or outside the womb more than I do.

Your question about teenagers is not even germane to politics in this country. No one is advocating allowing the murder of teenagers.

 

[matt wade]

It would be difficult for anyone to value life inside the womb or outside the womb more than I do.

OK...so can you explain why you would vote for a candidate this promotes murder of unborn children, yet you would not vote for a candidate that promotes murder of teenage children? Please explain this.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You have never shown me to be wrong on substantive issue during all the years I have been posting on this board. If you ever do so, it will be the first time.

You endorsed Condi Rice, then Ron Paul, then Obama for pres. Which time were you right ? You had to be wrong the other two.

 

[Pastor Larry]

You have never shown me to be wrong on substantive issue during all the years I have been posting on this board. If you ever do so, it will be the first time.

I have shown it many times. We are witnessing right here. On the matter of voting for Obama being consistent with being 100% pro-life as you claim, you are wrong. That is substantive.

It would be difficult for anyone to value life inside the womb or outside the womb more than I do.

Not at all. You didn't value it enough to even vote for it, knowing that your vote wasn't going to make a difference anyway. You couldn't even bring yourself to offer a token vote against it.

 

[KenH]

I have shown it many times.

You are self-deceived if you really believe that.

 

[Revmitchell]

I didn't say most, so please stop distorting what I wrote.

You think that everyone who opposes abortion supports a 100% ban like I do?

Maybe you need a cup of coffee to wake up and remember what you said.

And I quote KenH:

"I am not sure that most right-wing Christians would be as solid against all abortions as I am since many of them want to allow exceptions for various reasons. "