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Still waiting, Andre.

 

It has not been put to bed. The Jubilee law established in Leviticus 25 were laws - they were not optional.

Jesus has authority over it all and wants His Kingdom principles enacted in all institutions of society. You are effectively saying that we hand government over to the enemy.

 

I am being entirely true to this thread and you know it. Here is the OP

The issue I am pursuing is the Biblical underpinnings of socialism. I am speaking directly to the OP.

I quoted a number of Scriptures that clearly showed that Jesus was continually on the run. These scripture substantiate my claim, so please do not play a blashphemy card that the Scriptures clearly trump.

Jesus was on the run. He was continually on the move to avoid being taken before his time.

 

You guys are heavy on the accusations of twisting scripture and blasphemy, but rather light on scriptural support for your own position on the matter.

I have quoted Leviticus 25
I have quoted Matthew 13
I have quoted Mark 10
I have quoted the Lord's prayer.

If you think the Scriptures do not support a socialist ordering of society, why not make a case and stop accusing me of twisting the scriptures.

 

There are many shades to socialism and you may object to my interpretation.

Nations like Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands are more socialist (on my view of what socialism entails) than the United States. These are all wealthy nations.

Canada is clearly (I think) more socialist than the US - we have universal health care, which I consider to be a central identifier of a socialist orientation to society. Of course, there are many shades of socialism and many ways to measure wealth.

So it is not a black and white issue.

 

John 7:30 Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come.
John 8:20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Sorry, but your "on the run" theory just doesn't hold up!

 

Your argument does not work.

Jesus is simply stating that his life is not taken from Him - He gives it up at a time of His own choosing. This does not change the fact that Jesus repeatedly moved about (e.g. escaped from attempts at seizure) so that His timing would be fulfilled.

Again, we have numerous scriptures that show, by any normal interpretation, Jesus was "on the run":

At this they tried to seize him, but no one laid a hand on him, because his time had not yet come.

39Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

 

British theologian NT Wright on the issue of "religion and politics"

 

Luke 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,
Strong's Greek Definition for "passing"
// diercomai // dierchomai // dee-er'-khom-ahee //


AV - pass 8, pass through 7, go 7, go over 3, go through 2,
walk 2, misc 13, vr to go 1; 43

1) to go through, pass through
1a) to go, walk, journey, pass through a place

Sure doesn't sound like a Man on the run!

John 18:19 The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.
20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

Luke 22:52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?
53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me:but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

Seriously, Andre, think about how foolish it sounds to say Christ was a Man on the run. Do you not believe that the Father had the power to protect the Son from seizure before His time? Even when they came to get Him in the Garden all He did was acknowledge who He was and "they went backward, and fell to the ground."

Get real, man!

 

So, Rev. do you wear clothing made of two materials and are deserving of death? Do you advocate the stoning of disobedient children?

After all you said that the laws are not optional.

 

If churches were doing their job there would be no need for government help. But churches are not doing their job.

 

Wrong Rev. Churches are not doing their job. Most churches do not and will not participate in social programs to help people. We have experienced this where I live in the States ... and especially fundamental churches will not help. If churches were doing their job the general public would have a much higher opinion of them, and they would be overflowing with people. You are right, money alone will not fix the problem. Christians have to get involved, and most American Christians can't be bothered in helping the poor, the sick, the minorities that need help.

What programs does your church run or participate in?

 

Then educate me. Tell me what social programs your church is engaged in.

What poor are you feeding?
What illetrate people are you teaching to read?
Do you run or help with a clothes closet?
Do you run or help with a soup kitchen?
Do you run or help with a food bank?
Do you run or help a battered woman's residence?
Do you run or help with a homeless shelter?

etc., etc., etc.

How will you answer to the questions of the judgement as described in Matther?

 

I have said nothing of the kind, of course.

What I have said is that a principle has been established to the effect that God's value are to be enshrined in law, and are not merely recommendations.

I have clearly stated in previous posts that the specific "laws" and codes in the Law of Moses no longer apply.

You are all arguing for a position where we implement Christian values behind church walls only and leave the running of the world to secular values.

As the kids say, "good luck with that".

As for me, I take Jesus seriously when he said "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me"

 

My question was to RevM. Sorry for the confusion.

 

Crabrownboy and Andre are overmatched with the Rev. Mitchell.

Biblically, it's like watching a teacher discipline unruly children.

This thread is far afield of the original subject and should be moved to another forum or closed, which is more in line with Andre's intent.

 

No problemo. Although it was me who raised the Jubilee laws and stated that they were not optional.....