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Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by robycop3, Dec 30, 2019.

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  1. robycop3

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    When I was a HS soph, long before salvation, my biology teacher, who was a devout Christian, held up our textbook on the 1st day of class & said, "This book says, among other things, that birds evolved from lizards. Now, that's asking a lot from a lizard-to replace its perfectly-functional scales with feathers, to reverse the bend of its limbs,(Note that a lizard's limbs bend the same direction as ours.) trade its jaws & teeth for a beak, & toughest of all, change its chemistry from cold-blooded to warm-blooded. There are no 'missing links' half-n-half on any of those things."

    That little lecture has stuck with me ever since. Years later, knowing evolution is impossible, I wrote to the astronomer Carl Sagan, whom I admired, & who was a staunch evolutionist, explaining those facts to him. He never wrote me back. Hard to believe such a brilliant mind was closed to simple, basic FACTS. (Oh well; I had to program my PH.D neighbor's Tivo for him.)

    Any evolutionists who read this: Please don't be as close-minded as Dr. Sagan was. Please ask yourselves how an animal (or plant) coulda "evolved" from such different "ancestors".

    BTW, the Eohippus, the "dawn horse", was about the size of a Collie, with a toe on each side of each hoof reaching the ground, while the modern horse has only vestigial toes fused to the leg bones. But, if eohippus was around today, it could mate with a modern horse, if physically possible, & produce offspring. They're the same basic species they didn't "evolve' into modern horses.
     
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    I hate to break this to you Roby, but an enormous amount of evidence to confirm evolution has been discovered since you were a Sophmore in HS.
    The fact of the matter Is that the reality of evolution is not in dispute anywhere science is conducted. Every science journal, every science organization, every university that educates PhD students in all the various fields of earth and life science ALL accept the validity of evolution.
    The conducting of DNA testing has confirmed our evolutionary history and our related status with all the other apes on this planet.
    Your denial of evolution is not grounded in reality in light of the mountain of evidence which confirms it in the 21st century.
     
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    Hmmmm...So you believe birds evolved from lizards, reversed the bend of their limbs, changed their scales into feathers, traded their jaws for beaks, & best of all, changed their chemistry from cold-blooded to warm-blooded? Kewl !

    Now, if amoebas, the simplest one-celled animals with no definite shape evolved into paramecia, one-celled animals with a definite shape & body parts, which evolved into volvoxes, multi-celled animals, etc. etc. THEN WHY ARE THERE STILL AMOEBAS ? Why are they still a very-successful creature ?
     
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    No bible believing christian would be surprised to learn that almost all of these scientists deny that the bible is God's word or that a six-day creation is true. For all their learning and degrees scientists still can't prove evolution.
     
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    Evolution, as in Darwinism aspect, has been pretty much killed off by recent scientific facts, as even the most strictupporter realizes just does not fir into the timeline, as still NO evolutionary fossils have ever been found sowing specie in transition, no way to account for detailed organisms just coming into existence, and no way to account for Dna needed to be added/changed to transiting into new life forms as required by evolution!
    Evolution within species, but none transisting ito new ones!
     
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    I dont "believe" anything, as evolution is not a "belief".
    I accept the fact that birds share a common ancestor with reptiles based on the fossil evidence and comparative genome maps that clearly demobstrate that relationship.
     
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    Sorry Yeshua, but your above post is simply incorrect.
    Evolution has NOT been "killed off" by any "recent scientific facts" as evolution is still accepted and taught as true by every science organization, every peer reviewed scientific journal and every PhD educating university that addresses this subject matter.
    Your claim that "there are still no transitional fossils" has been debunked so many times now, that to even make that claim is laughable. Every paleontology organization we have has recognized countless transitional fossils, and paleontologists have even presented some of them in US courts for demonstration at trial.
    As for DNA, there are many ways to change and even add DNA to a genome. Such mechanisms are mutation, gene replication, polyploidy, horizontal gene transfer, ERV insertion, etc.
    I'm sorry Yeshua, but you are simply misinformed on this subject matter.
     
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    Again, no transition fossil has ever been discovered, as there has no documented species change in history, and mutations do happen, but always for the worse, not to improve species, much less change it!
     
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    Sorry Son of Robert, but evolution is as "proved" as it gets.
    With the invention of DNA testing and genome mapping, we can now run very detailed tests to check and see if species that evolution predicts are related by common ancestry are in fact actually related.
    We have mapped the entire human genome and we have also mapped the entire chimpanzee genome.
    We have compared both species DNA side by side and the results are indisputable. Humans and chimps share a common evolutionary ancestor.
    We've also run tests like these on organisms like whales and hippos and not surprisingly, whales share their common ancestors with the 4 hoofed land dwelling ungulates just as evolution predicted they would based on the fossil evidence.
    The truth here is that DNA tests are accepted as proof in all US courts, and all our DNA tests confirm what evolution has been predicting for over a 150 years.
     
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    You can make that claim till you are blue in the face, but it still won't make it true.
    Here, directly from the Society of Vertebrate Paleontology

    The fossil record of vertebrates unequivocally supports the hypothesis that vertebrates have evolved through time, from their first records in the early Paleozoic Era about 500 million years ago to the great diversity we see in the world today. The hypothesis has been strengthened by so many independent observations of fossil sequences that it has come to be regarded as a confirmed fact, as certain as the drift of continents through time or the lawful operation of gravity.

    Paleontology relies for its evidence on two different but historically related fields, biology and geology. Evolution is the central organizing principle of biology, understood as descent with modification. Evolution is equally basic to geology, because the patterns of rock formations, geomorphology, and fossil distributions in the world make no sense without the underlying process of change through time. Sometimes this change has been gradual, and sometimes it has been characterized by violent upheaval. These processes can be seen on the Earth today in the forms of earthquakes, volcanoes, and other tectonic phenomena. Vertebrates have also evolved at a variety of rates, some apparently gradual, and some apparently rapidly. Although the fossil record is not complete, and our knowledge of evolution will always be less than entire, the evidence for the progressive replacement of fossil forms has been adequate to support the theory of evolution for over 150 years, well before genetic mechanisms of evolutionary change were understood. Paleontologists may dispute, on the basis of the available evidence, the tempo and mode of evolution in a particular group at a particular time, but they do not argue about whether evolution took place: that is a fact.
     
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    Your above question is a common misconception regarding evolution.
    Nothing in the evolutionary process requires an ancestral species to go extinct in order for a new species to form.
    One of the most common methods of speciation is allopatric speciation.
    All that is required is the drifting apart of a species into distinct groups, groups that can no longer interbreed.
    Once separated, and no longer sharing genes, each distinct population can change in its own unique way over many generations based on the new environments that the now diverged populations dwell in.
     
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    Sorry, KeyserSoze, but evolution is not proven. Listen, we can both get into a back n' forth on this subject until Jesus returns and neither of us is going to convince the other. I am not a science denier but I happen to believe that all evolutionary theories are based on incomplete or suspect science, much like man-made global warming. I believe the biblical account of creation - six literal 24-hour days.
     
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    "I happen to believe that all evolutionary theories are based on incomplete or suspect science".?

    Well the thing about science is that it doesn't care what the average person "believes". It only cares about what the evidence actually demonstrates.
    You see, evolution was a highly controversial idea when it was proposed over a 150 years ago.
    Now because it was so highly disliked by many, due to its religious implications, it has been rigorously tested far more than pretty much any scientific idea that has ever been proposed.
    If evolution were incorrect, then the last 160 years of tests we've conducted would have sent evolutionary science the way of the dodo decades ago.
    And yet, after almost 2 centuries of intense scrutiny, evolution has only become stronger.
    As famous geneticist and devout evangelical Christian Francis Collins said after mapping the genome:
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    As someone who's had the privilege of leading the human genome project, I've had the opportunity to study our own DNA instruction book at a level of detail that was never really possible before. It's also now been possible to compare our DNA with that of many other species. The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming. I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible-believing Christian. But it is so. It does not serve faith well to try to deny that."

    I applaud Dr Collin's honesty.
     
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    While horses have grown larger & alligators have become smaller over the ages, they were still horses & alligators 'way back then. Birds didn't evolve from lizards. And cold-blooded is not necessarily more-primitive than warm'blooded. A cold-blooded animal only requires 10 & as much food as a similar-size warm-blooded one. Most lizards can go for days or weex without eating, while some birds do nothing else but eat & reproduce-don't have time for anything else.

    And, as Yeshua said, there's never been a "missing link" found. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE MISSING !
     
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    The big problem is that the evolutionists filter all facts thru their anti God filter, while we who believe in God and divine revelation filter same facts thru much truer lens, the Bible!
     
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    They cannot account for how universe started from nothing, and how life came from non life!
     
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    Here we go again... Do you know how many debates on evolution we've has since I joined this board... A truckload!... We didn't believe it then and we don't believe it now... Man does not evolve, man devolves and dies... You believe what you want and I will do likewise.

    I remember back in the day when the theory of evolution was growing by leaps and bounds... One of our preachers one morning got into the stand and said... There is all this talk that we evolved from apes... Now that's a bitter pill to swallow and a down right lie... I'm afraid to check my ancestry, not that I might find some swinging from the trees but I might find a few hanging from them... You know back when I was a kid, I remember the saying: Well I'll be a monkeys uncle, well I know I'm not but you sir are in question... Brother Glen:Biggrin

    1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.
     
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    ALL that can be certain is that God used a common template to say create primates, so we are close to other primates in dna, but God created man ONLY in His on image!
     
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    They will find a part of a Jaw, or some teeth, and age date them 5 millions years ago, bogus dating, and try to show there was prior ancestors of man!
     
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    either God inspired genesis to us and it is true, or else he lied to us!
     
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