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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by prophecy70, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. prophecy70

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    Put down the left behind books, and now open the bible and inform me, where do you get the "anti-christ" in Revelation?
     
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    You can't be serious right now.
     
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    They did not see the Jews building a 3rd temple in Jerusalem, nor the coming of the "beast" to power, the mark of the beast, the great tribulation, the abomination of desolation, and certainly not the return of Jesus. That's just a short list.
     
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    That was NOT the Jerusalem sieges of 68-70 AD. The first one occurred when a Roman army led by Vespasian besieged J. He & that army left when tidings of nero's death & Galba's assuming the Caesarship reached him. Some EIGHT MONTHS passed before several other Roman armies led by Titus besieged J again. After Vespasian's siege, there was plenty of time for those wishing to flee J to have done so. Thus, Jesus was speaking of a still-future event when He told people they were to flee IMMEDIATELY upon seeing J surrounded by an army.

    He did say that when they saw J surrounded by armies that ITS desolation was near. That was NOT the "abomination of desolation". However, especially during Vespasian's siege, more than one person in Jerusalem came out & surrendered to the Romans who spared their lives.

    And the great trib will be WORLDWIDE. Rev. 16 gives a quick look at some of its events. Obviously, they haven't yet occurred.

    For the sake of discussion, let's pretend the great trib is limited to the Jews. OK, the destruction of J & the temple was a catastrophe to the Jews. But a WORSE one occurred in 135-136 AD when Hadrian expelled the Jews from their land & gave that land to the Philistines. Then came the nazi holocaust of 1933-45. Very-obviously, that was a FAR-GREATER calamity to the Jews than the events of 70 AD! So the preterist argument holds no water either way!
     
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    The "Wailing Wall" is not part of the temple, proper. It's part of a wall that once surrounded the entire temple complex. The temple itself was entirely pulled down by the Romans who believed gold had been secreted between ots stones.
     
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    Again, you have that HUGE PROBLEM facing you that those prophesied events haven't yet happened!
     
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    Yes, the first parts of the Olivet Discourse were fulfilled to the letter, exactly as written in their original language.
    HOWEVER...
    Jerusalem is still trod underfoot by gentiles at this very moment! There's a constant stream of non-Jewish Muslims coming & going to & from the Dome of the Rock & the Al-Aqsa Mosque. And there's a constant parade of non-Jewish Christians coming & going from the various Christian shrines in Jerusalem, as well as non-Jewish tourists from all over the world. Several sections of J are owned & inhabited by Palestinians & other gentiles. There's no sign of those situations changing. In fact, as more & more embassies are now being set up in Jerusalem, there are more & more gentiles occupying them.

    The Jews fully intend to build a new temple in J. They have all the building materials ready, & have even consecrated an altar to be placed in it. They have all the instruments to be used in the temple made. They're breeding the animals to be used in temple rites. When the temple is built, it'll be done so very quickly. All the Jews are waiting for is when they can do so without setting off WW3.
     
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    Jerusalem's population is roughly 860 K right now. Of that population, about 500K are Jews, 285 K are Muslims of various national descents, 15 K are non-Jewish Christians, & about 10K are non-Jews of various other religions.(Rough estimates from various sources) So, the times of the gentiles are far from over.

    The Jews don't seem upset over that situation, nor about the stream of pilgrims of both Islam & Christendom which come & go from J constantly. After all, most world capitals have many foreigner residents & visitors.
     
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    The "antichrist" man is clearly implied as being the " a prince who shall come of the people who shall destroy Jerusalem" (Daniel 9:26) , Paul (2Thess. 2:3-4, 8-10), & the angel of the Revelation(Rev. 13, 19).

    While John correctly said there were many antichrists in the world, even in that time, we see he refers to a SPECIFIC antichrist in 1 John 2:18.

    Even though that term is not found in Revelation, it's clearly implied, same as is the Holy Trinity, although that term doesn't appear in Scripture. And would not anyone who exalts himself above God be an antichrist?
     
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    Stop using left behind as your source, the Third temple is no where in the bible.
     
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    It was a parallel statement, do you know what that means?
     
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    Already happened in 70AD.
     
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    It's implied, as the "abomination of desolation" didn't occur in the previous one.
     
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    Yeah - something prets invent to try to cover their lacka evidence.
     
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    I wonder if you actually read the scriptures. Jesus said that not one stone would be left upon another, to which they asked "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?"
    • Mark 13:1 And as he wen"t out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
    • 2And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    • 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
    • 4Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
    "These things" Matthew asked a supplementary question which had nothing to do with Jesus' remarks. Off topic we would say. " and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" Jesus answered those questions separately in reverse order. When ? 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    What sign?
    • 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    • 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    • 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be,
    It will be sudden no one will know beforehand.
     
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    Mark likely heard the conversation secondhand. Matthew, who heard it directly, wrote:
    Matt. 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
    Then, Jesus explained the other things.
    True, only His Father knows the exact time Jesus will return, but Jesus gave us enough intel to know when the GENERAL TIME will be. He will stop the great trib & there'll be a great cosmological disturbance, during which He shall return.
    So, when the beast comes to power, Christians should know Jesus will return within 3.5 years of then. remember, his forces shall trample Jerusalem for 42 months, that is, 3.5 years.(Rev. 11:2)
     
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    No, that prince hasn't yet come. He will be the 'beast'.
     
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    It did not happen AD 70!
     
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    The prophecied events that have happened Have, Those that have not yet happened Will,

    If Jesus said that generation would not pass away befare that was fulfilled, then it was, What is future begins in verse 36.
    See my post #36
     
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