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Pastor needs prayer

Discussion in 'Pastoral Ministries' started by 2real2believe, May 19, 2003.

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  1. 2real2believe

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    The pastor at [edit name] Baptist Church has lost several key members of his staff during the past month [edit 5 separate criticisms of the pastor under the heading of "prayer requests"]. Please keep him in your prayers as well as the church. [email address deleted - that is not appropriate for the Baptist Board]

    [ May 19, 2003, 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
     
    #1 2real2believe, May 19, 2003
  2. dianetavegia

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    Is this Georgia?

    Praying for this........ I shared this post with my pastor 'in confidence'. Brother Alan (Villa Rica FBC) is a fine man of God and I'm sure will be praying.

    Diane

    [ May 20, 2003, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]
     
    #2 dianetavegia, May 19, 2003
  3. USN2Pulpit

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    Moderators: Is it proper and within forum rules for a poster to post another party's e-mail address? Perhaps this should be dealt with quickly.

    But this problem does raise an interesting issue that I think has been discussed here before: that is the subject of using another's sermon. Can this be done with integrity?

    As far as "purging old members," I wouldn't be in a position to comment, seeing that I'm not in the situation over there myself.

    It is a matter for prayer though.
     
    #3 USN2Pulpit, May 19, 2003
  4. j_barner2000

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    hmmmm I did not see this before Dr. Bob edited out questionable content. But, I have looked at other men's sermons in preperation of mine. I have found looking at the structure of their notes has helped me to organize my own outline. I have heard that there are a number of well known and respected preachers who used other preachers sermons. I don't see it as a problem as long as they do not claim the sermon as their own. Don't khow if that makes sense, but it is my 2 cents worth.
     
    #4 j_barner2000, May 20, 2003
  5. Dr. Bob

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    Know that every pastor uses a wealth of material from others in preparation of a message. It's called "standing on the shoulders of giants".

    Commentaries, study bibles, books of sermons, Sword of the Lord and other publications. We "glean" from all of them - ideas, outlines, illustrations, even just the "slant" of a preacher or author on a text.

    I read the Speaker's Bible (20 volume commentary that is really a compilation of 19th C sermons on given texts), and usually buy 10-20 books on a given Bible book on which I am developing sermons.

    A pastor who uses these resources DOES NOT give credit to every little thought you might glean. Direct quotations, of course, or stories should not be claimed as "original" but credit given to the speaker.

    But if someone goes to my website and gets an outline or insight, I personally say GOD BLESS YOU and use His Word mightily.

    (But if someone just lifts an entire sermon from a Hyles' book and then claim it as their own - which I have heard done at our College Chapel - I feel is unethical. This fellow even claimed the stories actually happened to him. Right. I lost all respect for the man. Plagiarism is plagiarism is plagiarism.)
     
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  6. Jim1999

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    Some Anglicans wrote:

    There was an old Baptist named Spurgy,
    Who didn't like our liturgy,
    His sermons are fine,
    They sometimes are mine,
    And oft many more of the clergy.

    I guess we are all guilty somewhere along the line.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
    #6 Jim1999, May 20, 2003
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