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Featured Penal Substitution

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by mandym, Jan 15, 2012.

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  1. It is correct and a primary doctrine

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  2. No it is not and a dangerous doctrine

    6.7%
  3. Believers who do not hold to it must be separated from fellowship

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  4. I do not hold to it

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  5. I do hold to it

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  6. It is not worth breaking fellowship over

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  1. mandym

    mandym New Member

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    Do you hold to penal substitution? Why or why not. No answer is valid without scriptural support for each assertion.
     
  2. Aaron

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    Looks like you pretty much established it right there.
     
  3. Martin Marprelate

    Martin Marprelate Well-Known Member

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    Yep! All those texts you listed, plus a few more. 'Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.' 'By His wounds we are healed.'. Leviticus 16.

    Absolutely vital doctrine. No hope without it.

    Steve
     
  4. Amy.G

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    Of course. How could one be called a Christian and not believe it? :confused:
     
  5. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus Well-Known Member

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    I can't answer the poll because it doesn't provide the answer I would hold to:

    It is a correct doctrine among other views of the atonement which are also taught in Scripture.

    I'm all for penal substitutionary atonement, but I also recognize other views of the atonement as equally valid.
     
  6. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler New Member

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    Other views? Such as?
     
  7. freeatlast

    freeatlast New Member

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    The scripture you gave are fine. They prove your question to be a yes.
     
  8. Aaron

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    That Christ is not also our substitute receiving the punishment of the law, but also our substitute in satisfying its righteous requirements.
     
  9. Tom Butler

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    Oh, okay. That squares with Isaiah 53:11
     
  10. preachinjesus

    preachinjesus Well-Known Member

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    Historically in the Church there have a number of views considered orthodox that give proper teaching on the atonement. Penal substitutionary, while popular since the Reformation, can stand together with the others. They include:

    Scapegoating satistfaction theory
    Governmental atonement
    Christus Victor
    Ransom view of atonoment

    These are broader categories, each fully defensible via Scripture. :)
     
  11. Michael Wrenn

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    Penal substitution is a Calvinistic theory influenced by Anselm's Satisfaction theory. It is abhorrent and has done much harm.

    The penal substitution theory was not taught in the early church. The ransom theory was nearly universally accepted in this period.

    Apparently some think that church history and theology began with Calvin, that the first century Christians were Calvinists, and that even Jesus was a Calvinist.
     
  12. convicted1

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    I agree with the verses posted in the OP. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
  13. Oldtimer

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    OK folks, here goes. Often topics here are way over my head. But, I'm trying, using Proverbs 2:3-6 as the basis for doing so and 2 Tim 2:15 as the objective. Freely admit that I've got a long ways to go in my quest to make up to some small degree for so many wasted years with my dusty Bible sitting on a shelf. :eek: :(

    I can't vote in the poll because I don't know what penal substitution means? Would someone be so kind as to explain in laymen's terms?
     
  14. mandym

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    In short Christ died on the cross in place of us. He took our sin penalty as if He was the sinner.
     
  15. Aaron

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    How many sacrifices and offerings are according to the law? Many. How many offerings did Christ make? One. The lesson in the Sin Offering is only one aspect of the efficacy of Christ's one offering. It is not the same lesson as that of the Burnt Offering, but neither does it negate it.
     
  16. Aaron

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    Penal substitution did not originate with Calvin. It was revealed through Moses.
     
  17. mandym

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    It is straight from scripture and has done no harm. I am not a Calvinist but neither am I from the theological left. So tell us all who has it harmed?
     
  18. Michael Wrenn

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    I am not from the theological left, either, although you keep trying to paint me into that corner. I hate extremes -- of right or left.

    Straight from scripture but unknown in the early church. Hmmm....
     
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    Like a multifaceted gem.
     
  20. glfredrick

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    All of the above listed theories of the atonement describe some part of the atonement, for it is the hinge-pin of salvation and encompases all aspects of human life and hope. That is why scholars down through the ages have found evidence for each of the various theories listed above.

    No one fully develops all of what the atonement accomplished, but taken together we get a much fuller view.

    That being said, the core doctrine is indeed penal substitution. Without the imputed righteousness of Christ we have no hope, for Christ is not "just" a good example to follow, nor a moral equivalence by which we can compare ourselves to others, nor a righteous and chivalrous King fighting for us, or just one who had deep pockets to pay a ransom. He was all that and more -- His righteousness is our salvation and when He became our sin so that we could be imputed His righteousness, penal substitution occured on our behalf according to the grace AND justice of God.
     
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